When do the Marian Reforms come?

**Favre** · March 25, 2006, 06:25 PM

Hello, Im having a blast on my RTW Campaign atm. This is the first time I have been interested in a campaign for a long time using no cheats.

Im playing Terrae_Expugnande 3.0 and so far hav all of Italy and one province in sicily.

When do the Marian reforms usually come?

I also heard someone say they come whenever you build an imperial palace, What are the requirements for that building?

**_GunneR_** · March 25, 2006, 07:27 PM

You need to have a population of 24,000 in a town then you can build an imperial palace

**Septimius Severus** · March 25, 2006, 10:13 PM

And the actual appearance of the Reforms is random, but to quicken their appearance you need an Imperial Palace in one of the Italian cities, and the above post has given you the prerequisite population for building one. Once you recieve the Legionary Units, however, you will most definitely not be disappointed by your wait.

**Favre** · March 25, 2006, 10:48 PM

Cool, Has anyone played Terrae_Expugnandae post-reforms as the Romans?

The screenies look sick, just winderin what its really like. Speaking of 24,000 guys, i need to stop recruting in Roma

**Legionary Jezza** · March 26, 2006, 12:36 AM

i have and i agree but try to stay on topic

**Lusted** · March 26, 2006, 05:38 AM

I have (i would recommend downloading 3.1, fixes a siege CTD bug, your save game will still work), and even though they are my own Romans, they do look very good. You need to have an imperial palace, so stop recruiting in Rome and wait for it to hit 24000 and you should be able to build one.

**Favre** · March 26, 2006, 10:01 AM

Yeah i was wondering what was happening with the Siege CTD, kinda was pissing me off. 2 Sieges worked and 4 didnt so i jsut starved them out of it.

Your skins are great so far if you did the Pre-marians aswell. I cant wait for the Post Marius that i can see as the captains on the campaign map. Those captain skins are sick.

**Favre** · March 29, 2006, 04:47 PM

I've built the imperial palace, like 5 years ago. How long does it take? im at 250 bc atm

**hellheaven1987** · March 29, 2006, 05:12 PM

It really dpends, in my game, the Reform follows the difficulty I choose. The more harder level I choose, the later the reform is.

**Favre** · March 29, 2006, 06:06 PM

Ah, its on M/M, Ideas?

**John I Tzimisces** · March 29, 2006, 06:08 PM

It is not dependent upon difficulty. I was under the impression that the reforms happened as soon as you built the palace, in 1.5...

**Yojimbo** · October 26, 2008, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by John I Tzimisces

It is not dependent upon difficulty. I was under the impression that the reforms happened as soon as you built the palace, in 1.5...

Same here.

**Favre** · March 29, 2006, 06:47 PM

Buitl the palace in 1.5 and still no reforms, its been 5 years

**Red Harvest** · March 29, 2006, 08:47 PM

Didn't realize it was in any way random in 1.5. The reforms always come ridiculously freaking early with the new patches. I think the latest I've seem them was 236 BC or so.

Too bad CA didn't make the reform trigger directly moddable. How difficult would it have been to add a switch for this, and allow the switch to be triggered by any condition that is already accessible?

**Favre** · March 29, 2006, 10:40 PM

yeah mine just hit in like 249 BC

**Lusted** · March 30, 2006, 03:03 AM

So you've got the refomrs then, in 1.5 it is my understanding that the reforms will happen any time after you get the Imperial Palace, sometimes it happens immediately, sometimes you have to wait a few turns.

**player1** · March 30, 2006, 03:47 AM

To me, they always happends immidiately in next turn, as long as it's one of the provinces flagged as italian. Now what province is "italian" in that mod I don't know.
I also know in original game that SPQR faction can't initiate reforms themself by building a palace.

**aznflea** · October 25, 2008, 12:26 AM

the marian reforms happen when you build an imperial palace in certain cities. messana is one of them for sure. i think mediolanium or patavium is one of them. i think thermon or byzlora is one of them too.

**Otto von Bismarck** · October 25, 2008, 04:39 AM

You have to have more then three Imperial Palaces in order for Marian reforms to happen.

**Scutarii** · October 26, 2008, 03:28 PM

The question has been answered.... Imperial Palace in any Italian City, built by a Roman Faction. And this thread was over 2 years old, please don't dig up resolved threads...