Would cryogenic suspension count as an act of faith?

[Helm]

There's the faith that the money you invest will actually pay off and you will be physically revived back to life, and not put on a reality TV show as some kind of a zombie. It seems to me like a modern twist of the ancient Egyptian religion without the supernatural element, though also a bit like looking to science for a salvation from science. There seems to be some kind of assumption that death has to be something so incredibly unpleasant good money has to be spent in order to be brought back from it, though how they know all this I have no idea.

[panzer 4]

then shouldnt J.D Rocherfeller be alive?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

An unusually smart post Helm. Yes I think it is an act of faith. Even if we ever have the technology, I doubt we'll would bother bringing anyone back from the dead who hadn't recently died a too young death.

Why would you want come back anyway? You wouldn't understand any of the culture, language or technology of the time. I think death would be more interesting.

[Jack04]

I'm not sure there'd be any more faith than that you place in medical professionals when undergoing a general anaesthetic.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

Except people have woken up from anesthetics before.

[Jack04]

Except people have woken up from anesthetics before.

Presumably such a technique would be adequately tested before it became common practice.

[Helm]

Presumably such a technique would be adequately tested before it became common practice.

Its possible its not possible (or particularly needed) and if not you're wasting a lot of money. A bit like a Christian wasting time going to church on a Sunday if there's no actual truth behind it. So both cases are equally an act of faith. It should only be possible if what materialism assumes is true and its just a case of physically repairing and kick starting the system as you would a broken machine.

[XIII]

I'm not sure there'd be any more faith than that you place in medical professionals when undergoing a general anaesthetic.

Still, faith is involved. Faith does not necessarily imply a religious nature to it.

[Jack04]

Still, faith is involved. Faith does not necessarily imply a religious nature to it.

Oh yes, I realise that. I'm just not sure it requires a huge amount more than the faith you place in medical professionals to safely return you to consciousness after a general anaesthetic.

[basics]

Helm,

You don't half come up with some brammers and this is a further example. But, let us have a closer look at the thing. At death the soul leaves the body to corruption whilst it goes to where its destiny lies which is either heaven or hell to await judgement by the returning God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Since faith has to do with Him, there being no other faith, what has that to do with placing a dead body in a chamber hoping that someday it will come back to life? It is written that we whom God knows will receive heavenly bodies so what is the point of a useless exercise?

[AdamWeishaupt]

I have tried to freeze a salad head for a few days in the refrigerator if that counts.

It's not that the salad then after defrost was really something you would want to offer your guests.

Therefore, I assume the results of cryogenic may be suboptimal unless you want to proceed as a kind of baggy schnitzel.

[Helm]

You don't half come up with some brammers and this is a further example. But, let us have a closer look at the thing. At death the soul leaves the body to corruption whilst it goes to where its destiny lies which is either heaven or hell to await judgement by the returning God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Since faith has to do with Him, there being no other faith, what has that to do with placing a dead body in a chamber hoping that someday it will come back to life? It is written that we whom God knows will receive heavenly bodies so what is the point of a useless exercise?

Some people are more inclinded to believe that we're just machines and when we die we go nowhere at all. Then you can see the appeal of wanting to be kept in a fridge until you can be fixed up. But again I think doing this is an act of faith much the same as you have faith in what you have. It isn't based on any actual 100% certain knowledge.

[basics]

" Some people are more inclinded to believe that we're just machines and when we die we go nowhere at all. Then you can see the appeal of wanting to be kept in a fridge until you can be fixed up. But again I think doing this is an act of faith much the same as you have faith in what you have. It isn't based on any actual 100% certain knowledge. "

Helm,

There is but one Faith, one Lord and one Spirit of God. There isn't any other. Oh there may be certain hopes among certain men and women but when it comes to renewal of life the faith that I mentioned first is that which will see where man's destiny lies.

[Helm]

There is but one Faith, one Lord and one Spirit of God. There isn't any other. Oh there may be certain hopes among certain men and women but when it comes to renewal of life the faith that I mentioned first is that which will see where man's destiny lies.

Like I said it won't work if there is "something funny going on" and I think there most likely is. Though I think most faiths are valid to some extent.

[Col. Tartleton]

You'd have to go in alive though. That's the only way it would work IMO. You have to freeze them alive and stable, obviously anesthetized. Then you minimize effects if the freezing and put them on ice. Then in theory you can heat them up and bring them out of it.

The idea of freezing a corpse is at least questionable as anything other than a form of embalming. However as a form of assisted "suicide" I rather like the idea.

[Helm]

What they could do in the future is use nanomachines to regenerate and repair all the damaged tissues and once fully restored and blood transfused it should just be a case of resuscitating them the traditional way. If it can be done and there is no kind of "mystical energy" involved then it would be a demonstration of a purely material existence, so we can also assume there wouldn't be a God.

[Doge Domenico]

All I know is, I'm gonna figure out a way to make this work, then When I die mass effect style, Ill be brought back cause I'm a badass.

[Tacitursa]

Death is just electrical activity in the brain stopping, there has to be some way to get it going again even if you've been dead for years.

I don't think it's a position of faith to expect humans to one day figure out how to do that, Just think how advanced we'll be in the year 3000 or even 4000.

I think human's will be immortal one day, with enough medical advancement and a bit of genetic engineering a self-regenerating power similar to wolverine from X-Men wouldn't be too far fetched.

There's a jellyfish alive today that can return to a polyp state and technically it never dies, It's just born over and over again.

[Helm]

Death is just electrical activity in the brain stopping, there has to be some way to get it going again even if you've been dead for years.

I don't think it's a position of faith to expect humans to one day figure out how to do that, Just think how advanced we'll be in the year 3000 or even 4000.

I think human's will be immortal one day, with enough medical advancement and a bit of genetic engineering a self-regenerating power similar to wolverine from X-Men wouldn't be too far fetched.

There's a jellyfish alive today that can return to a polyp state and technically it never dies, It's just born over and over again.

It won't work if the human body is hooked up into something like this. You've got your chakras or whatevers going on there.

[Portuguese Rebel]

There is a whole lot of reasons at a celular level to dismiss cryogenics as a viable faith... But what do you have to lose...lol