Thank you for smoking

[Denny Crane!]

The extent of the smoking ban in Scotland and soon the UK has gone so far to ban it in all public places. This extends so far as to ban people from smoking in work vehicles.

As far as I know it was designed to prohibit smoking around other people but in fact it has gone further and is limiting peoples right to harm themselves. So how far should it go? It could lead to a total ban on all tobacco.

Sounds great when it is the leading cause of premature death in the UK, however what is next? Alcohol or fatty foods?

Smoking ban yes/no?

Peter

[bigfootedfred]

As a Smoker myself, i hate the ban.
But i can understand other peoples support for it, i dont smoke right the face of my non-smoking freinds becuase its rude..
but when you are down a pub or club or venue, the biggest complaint from a non-smoker is the smell on their clothes,
and the inabilty to get away from other peoples smoke.
And while i cant see pubs working to well with lots of people walking outside and back inside
(repeat over the course of the new 24 hour pubs) to grab some nicotine...
It is more fair to the people who dont want to breath in others smoke and have their clothes smell of it too.

So while i hate it, i can also understand why other people want the ban.

This extends so far as to ban people from smoking in work vehicles.

This, i didnt know....are you sure?
That would be to far...what are the truck drivers forklift drivers and so forth going to say about that?
they would never accept it.

Speaking of pubs....
its friday night, so bid you all farewell untill i return druken and disorderly to post in a spastic druken furor.

[Perikles]

Ban Smoking!
It's a vile habit and should be stopped. It costs the country millions each year through the NHS, but also creates a lot of tax revenues for the chancellor. The health risks should stop anyone from taking up smoking, but some people are oblivious to this or just plain stupid and take up this 'death-wish' habit.

[Denny Crane!]

Ban Smoking!
It's a vile habit and should be stopped. It costs the country millions each year through the NHS, but also creates a lot of tax revenues for the chancellor. The health risks should stop anyone from taking up smoking, but some people are oblivious to this or just plain stupid and take up this 'death-wish' habit.

Ban alcohol to then by your logic.

Peter

[Darth Wong]

Ban alcohol too then by your logic.

It would be nice if that were possible. I am not a prohibitionist because I know such bans do more harm than good (as America's last experiment with alcohol Prohibition demonstrated, and as the current War on Drugs continues to demonstrate). However, there's nothing wrong in principle with trying to protect people from themselves, provided you can show that the number of deaths per year is large enough to warrant such an intrusion into personal freedom and provided that you can show that the ban is not causing more harm than good. The location of that particular line in the sand is bound to be a judgment call, and it would also involve empirical assessment of the results.

[Nobunuga oda]

The ban would be great, if it led to a complete ban in the UK deaths would be an all time low, violence probaly will go down, many other things may happen and most importantly get some of my friends off the stuff and stop throwing their lives away (accordingly one of them gets scared by steep hills when he's high)

[Perikles]

Ban alcohol to then by your logic.

Peter

But the differnce is that drinking does not generally harm the people around you.

[Darth Wong]

But the differnce is that drinking does not generally harm the people around you.

Tell that to the victims of drunk driving or the battered spouses and children of alcoholics. As I've said before and elsewhere, Prohibition is a cure that's worse than the disease, but don't tell me there's no disease.

[Garbarsardar]

Ban Smoking!
It's a vile habit and should be stopped. It costs the country millions each year through the NHS, but also creates a lot of tax revenues for the chancellor. The health risks should stop anyone from taking up smoking, but some people are oblivious to this or just plain stupid and take up this 'death-wish' habit.

Me I would never deprive the chancellor from a vital source of income, especially at the moment where he's trying to mend the wounds from the chattered rose tinted glasses he used to view his relationship with Tony.

So I will proudly keep on smoking Old Holborn-even if I am in Taiwan, to support the efforts of the Treasury.

[Bwaho]

well, nurses used to smoke around babies before, today you can hardly say smoking around babies is a good thing.

but when you are down a pub or club or venue, the biggest complaint from a non-smoker is the smell on their clothes,

yeah it's kind of annoying when the clothes are completly soaked in smoke...but I don't know, I guess it's something I could live with. Since so many people smoke you usually end up with 2 groups of people, the non-smokers waiting inside for the smokers and the smokers outside who are having a nice chat with the other smokers.

[Kanaric]

Smoking was recently banned in Chicago.

I hate that smoke, so i'm glad.

[Kanaric]

Ban alcohol too then by your logic.

Alcohal doesn't bother me when other people are drinking it, smoking does. People with lung or breathing troubles, which i dont have, are not affected by drinking as well.

My mom couldn't go out ANYWHERE their was smoke, for example. If she did then she wouldn't be able to breath very well if at all.

[Habelo]

I dont smoke i will never start with it.
And the ban, well ofcourse freedom of walking in public places without being smoked in the face i want to be there.
Thought if u guys really wanna smoke so... Why not do it on the balconny?

[Nationalist_Cause]

Alcohal doesn't bother me when other people are drinking it

It would if a drunk driver smacked into your car on the way home, as happens regularly across the world.

You know, at some point smokers will be forced to wear little cigarette shaped patches on their clothing like Jews in Nazi Germany. If thats sounds ridiculous its because it is.

I can understand enforcing a smoking ban in workplaces or in some restaurants (those that don't serve alcohol). But bars and pubs should never be forbidden to allow smoking. A bar is a place for one unhealthy habit (excessive drinking) and should also be a place where smokers can enjoy their tobacco. The two go hand in hand. For those who don't want to be around smokers when they drink, buy a six pack and rent a movie.

[Krusoth_the_Plague]

Concerning restaurants and related entities, it should be left to the discretion of the owners of the property the business rests upon. They can either prohibit smoking in their establishment or allow it. If you do not enjoy such a smoke-clogged atmosphere, then do not eat at restaurants that permit it. Patronize establishments that disallow the act. If you want to smoke, then eat at restaurants that allow it.

Property rights? Tomfoolery!

[Darth Wong]

Concerning restaurants and related entities, it should be left to the discretion of the owners of the property the business rests upon. They can either prohibit smoking in their establishment or allow it. If you do not enjoy such a smoke-clogged atmosphere, then do not eat at restaurants that permit it. Patronize establishments that disallow the act. If you want to smoke, then eat at restaurants that allow it.

Property rights? Tomfoolery!

Worker protection laws? Tomfoolery!

[Krusoth_the_Plague]

Worker protection laws? Tomfoolery!

Concerning the question of smoking, I would agree. Balderash! Poppycock! Rigmarole!

[Sétanta]

They did this in Seattle too. But they actually banned smoking in bars too.

And in the same bill you must stay 4 feet away from strippers.

[Ahlerich]

i think they are exagerating..same in canada. little story:

a buddy and i were standing outside of the workplace having a smoke on the parkingplace, about 1 or 2 meters away from a car. then the owner of the car came and asked us to step back a few more meters because she doesnt want to inhale smoke while getting something out of her trunk.

not smoking in bars and pubs i find very anoying, especially in canada when its sometimes -30 or -40 outside in winter, but i can accept it.
i also think ppl are exaggerating big time ..eg in public places. every family has 2 cars nowadays, sometimes more. the roads are crowded, the stuff you breath in during rushhour each day if you are walking makes the passive smoke you breath in from cigarettes outside really look neglectable. some radical no smoke ppl are pathetic.
just now a lady is walking with her little child along broadway...that should be forbidden to...too unhealthy

[Lord Rahl]

I thought this might have been about the movie but alas it wasn't to be.

Smoking shouldn't be banned anymore than drinking should. People have been doing it for hundreds of years.