Map Blog 3 - PSFs (8th Entry - PSF Script)

[Resurrection]

I know the map is far larger, but whatever happened to the awesome 6-region England and 4 region scotland posted in the previous map blog!?

Unfortunately 199 regions map limit happened to it.

[Ulsterman]

Thanks for all the hard work guys! I always make minor changes to mods i get, because in most mods, like DLV and SS scotland gets neglected badly (In SS scotland has halberdiers, but not the texture, to they're all silver lol). I know this mod is all-encompassing so it's different.

P.S. The map looks waaaaaaay better than DLV's map (that map is not very much to look at)

[Dago Red]

I have tested it and AI reacts absolutely fine as long as the PSFs are occupied (that's why we had to introduce permanent garrisons).

Thanks for clearing this up. On second glances the pathfinding and bottlenecks were my concern as well. you can imagine some of us playing mods with only sparse PSF's on the map having a bit of shock seeing this!

Also, thanks for posting the movement screenies and indulging people in their inquisitions. You can plainly see there will indeed be possible obstructions (as you would want from a garrison) but also alternate routes to take to try and avoid them. Two things...

- how many turns per year is the mod? -- those look like far distances to travel in only 1 turn.
- in BC, some of the PSF's render on the battle map in a sunken terrain, like someone decided to build a keep in a hole, as opposed to atop a hill or raised ground. Have you also noticed this issue?

[mynameisowen]

This is far better than I ever imagined it could be! Great work by Resurrection and the rest of the team. I hope the rest of the the fort placing isn't too tedious.

To people on the fence about PSF's: The whole point of the PSF's is clearly demonstrated by the picture showing Wales where the English character's movement is restricted by the forts. The reason being; so that you don't sweep in and take the rebel settlement, and therefore all of Wales, in one fell swoop.

This mod isn't for people who want to conquer the world in 100 turns and this is exactly the type of mod we need!!

[Mighty_Matt]

Dominion....... is actually gunna take some work

Map is beautiful, i wouldn't have been bothered if it looked abit jagged in the first release, but that is real preety!

You know all those forts actually make that area of the map look really crowded to me on second viewing. Hard to say how that will play out game play wise. I suspect this is what beta is for though! If it doesn't play well and is just too clogged up, I'm sure some can be removed for the release.

DON'T REMOVE ANY.

The PSF's are the biggest thing that's gunna make this mod, unless there are severe issues in testing i don't wan't to see any less, i want MOAR! (but the distribution now looks great, remember it took a CAMPAIGN to take Wales, not one seige!)

[Silesian_Noble]

I like: detailed landscape, advanced PSF role. I dislike: the great number of PSF - it looks like the player will get a siege fest and only occasionally a field battle. I would reduce it by 1/3, but that is just me and I hope I'm wrong here, after all you tested it and know better.

I can see even tiny rivers on the British landscape. Do you really want to be that detailed on the map? I mean in such case some continental areas will look rediculous with extremely dense river net. Also you mentioned that the PSF would generate income - (I love that idea, even thought about it by myself but had no idea how implement it in a reasonable manner) but could you explain that situation: the enemy occupy PSF from my region - who will get the income from that PSF? a) still me, b) the enemy, c) nobody

Congrats on the job so far and good luck with the rest.

[Dago Red]

I like: detailed landscape, advanced PSF role. I dislike: the great number of PSF - it looks like the player will get a siege fest and only occasionally a field battle. I would reduce it by 1/3, but that is just me and I hope I'm wrong here, after all you tested it and know better.

That was kind of my concern too.. but it's been said that there is some script which will force a field battle for the smaller castles/forts. My question is, will it be clear to the player which ones are too small to withstand an actual siege? (ie where it displays how many turns a castle can hold out during a siege?

IAlso you mentioned that the PSF would generate income - (I love that idea, even thought about it by myself but had no idea how implement it in a reasonable manner) but could you explain that situation: the enemy occupy PSF from my region - who will get the income from that PSF? a) still me, b) the enemy, c) nobody

Great question, I'd like to know too!

[Magmaniac]

Amazing.
Love all the PSFs.

[Cae]

LOVE IT.

[Tureuki]

What is the next region ?

[Resurrection]

First post updated with Entry 3 - France!

[Jimmy-j]

Nice pictures of France. Although one link isn't working
But if i counted correctly France will have 11 settlements?

[Resurrection]

Nice pictures of France. Although one link isn't working
But if i counted correctly France will have 11 settlements?

Thx, fixed that. France area has 14 regions but France itself won't control all of them because (I said ownership is not final in France because of the complicated political situation):

- Lower Burgundy is HRE
- Provence is Rebel but nominally also HRE
- Flanders are French but with large English/HRE presence in the region
- Brittany is Rebel
- Toulouse is Rebel (or maybe colony, not yet finally decided)
- Normandy is English

So it may be just 8 for France and most of it will be autonomy or just colony level and full of rebel PSFs. I think it will make for interesting game as France since you will have to take your time to consolidate before you even start to think of expansion.

[Jimmy-j]

So it may be just 8 for France and most of it will be autonomy or just colony level and full of rebel PSFs. I think it will make for interesting game as France since you will have to take your time to consolidate before you even start to think of expansion.

Nice, I always missed that in other mods
Keep up the good work

[Anhelo]

will the PSF be replacing castle/fortresses/citadels? I no the maps not finished but all the settlements are town/cities.

[gustave]

Great work on the map guys.

[Resurrection]

will the PSF be replacing castle/fortresses/citadels? I no the maps not finished but all the settlements are town/cities.

We don't use castle/city dichotomy of vanilla but the old MTW style of a cities where you develop all in all regions depending on your preference. Specific battle and strat map models will find their use in PSFs yes.

[The Source]

im just hoping someone will make a mini-mod/sub-mod that will reduce the number of forts by 50%, i agree that they represent small,scattered settlements and slow the campagin down but i think its just too much

[Resurrection]

im just hoping someone will make a mini-mod/sub-mod that will reduce the number of forts by 50%, i agree that they represent small,scattered settlements and slow the campagin down but i think its just too much

Too much for what exactly? Conquering half the world in 100 years and then starting another campaign over never seeing past 1200? Because that's exactly what happens in every mod and what we want to avoid at all costs so people actually see 14th century, first plate armours kicking in or even Hussites and gun-powder and war-wagons being put in mass use in campaign and not just as a rarity in custom battles. Not to mention it's not yet entirely historical because historically the places so far covered in the blog were numerous times more crowded than that. :-)

[The Source]

Too much for what exactly? Conquering half the world in 100 years and then starting another campaign over never seeing past 1200? Because that's exactly what happens in every mod and what we want to avoid at all costs so people actually see 14th century, first plate armours kicking in or even Hussites and gun-powder and war-wagons being put in mass use in campaign and not just as a rarity in custom battles. Not to mention it's not yet entirely historical because historically the places so far covered in the blog were numerous times more crowded than that. :-)

i hardly ever expand in my other mods though, i build up for like 100 turns with only conquering 1-3 settlements. and once i get a fortress or citadel i only expand with generals that i have rpg elements towards