loyalty to family

[fd7s]

whats peoples opinion on undying loyalty to ones family?

like doing whatever they want you do, always respecting them, and even giving your life for them if the occasion came up not matter how bad they treat you

[hellheaven1987]

Loyalty to family is generally due to blood-relation. Research has suggested that the higher genetic similarity generally brings higher loyalty and care between family members (that is in animal world).

Overall, it can be explained such loyalty is a general interest to preserve common genetic information.

[fd7s]

Loyalty to family is generally due to blood-relation. Research has suggested that the higher genetic similarity generally brings higher loyalty and care between family members (that is in animal world).

but whats your personal opinion on being loyal to your family no matter what they have done to you like if they have bullied and beat you your entire life yet still be loyal to them

[hellheaven1987]

but whats your personal opinion on being loyal to your family no matter what they have done to you like if they have bullied and beat you your entire life yet still be loyal to them

Well, unless there is a heavy environmental influence or a deflect of character traits, such situation generally would not happen.

[fd7s]

Well, unless there is a heavy environmental influence or a deflect of character traits, such situation generally would not happen.

true but imagine if that happens to someone yet there still loyal whats your opinion on that?

[generalveers]

It's a biased and unfair way to live your life if you elevate someone in your family to a position you make other people earn. Undying loyalty to your family is as blind and destructive as undying loyalty to your country, leader, or faith.

Of course, they still deserve to be treated as human beings but they are not entitled to a higher level of respect because they are related to you. You're (distantly) related to everyone anyways.

[fd7s]

It's a biased and unfair way to live your life if you elevate someone in your family to a position you make other people earn. Undying loyalty to your family is as blind and destructive as undying loyalty to your country, leader, or faith.

Of course, they still deserve to be treated as human beings but they are not entitled to a higher level of respect because they are related to you. You're (distantly) related to everyone anyways.

but wouldnt parents and siblings deserve higher respect? parents raised us and brought us into the world and our siblings are our blood

[generalveers]

but wouldnt parents and siblings deserve higher respect? parents raised us and brought us into the world and our siblings are our blood

My point is that they do not deserve a higher level of loyalty than anyone else. You can respect them if they deserve it, but they need to earn it first.

[Ishoss]

My point is that they do not deserve a higher level of loyalty than anyone else. You can respect them if they deserve it, but they need to earn it first.

I agree.

Most parents and siblings deserve your respect anyways. Compare them to how rest of their age-group acts towards you, and you will see that family treats you a different way. They deserve respect, loyalty and compassion.

Family and LFC, only ones who have my boundless loyalty.

[basics]

" whats peoples opinion on undying loyalty to ones family? "

gittany,

My position is that being a born again Christian and as far as I know my family not, we are separated by my love for God and theirs for whatever it is they believe in or not as the case might be. My own grown up children are not born again and despite the separation between us I am duty bound to give them as much love as they need or desire just as I am sure they do to me and their mother.

[fd7s]

" whats peoples opinion on undying loyalty to ones family? "

gittany,

My position is that being a born again Christian and as far as I know my family not, we are separated by my love for God and theirs for whatever it is they believe in or not as the case might be. My own grown up children are not born again and despite the separation between us I am duty bound to give them as much love as they need or desire just as I am sure they do to me and their mother.

thats really beautiful man there should be more people like you

[Himster]

thats really beautiful man there should be more people like you

I think you missed the sinister under-tone in what he said.
He is implying that his family deserves to suffer infinite torment in hell and despite this he goes through the motions of fatherly duties.

[fd7s]

I think you missed the sinister under-tone in what he said.

wait what?

[generalveers]

wait what?

The 'They're not born-again believers like me, so I only give them what they deserve and nothing more' part.

[basics]

" I think you missed the sinister under-tone in what he said. "

Himster,

My love for each member of my family has grown not diminished since my conversion because of what is an undertone that is not of my making. Remember I too was once under condemnation but now I am not so by the Christ who is in me I am now showing love that I once never had, thanks to and because of Him.

I am not the greatest Christian in the world and have never professed to being so but what I am now is greater than what I was but if any finger can be pointed at me by my children, that can only be from them of my first family and only because I betrayed their mother by being adulterous then.

[basics]

gittany,

Just as a follow up my youngest son, now twentyone, who has been up to all that is naughtie, has revealed that without knowledge of any conversion has said that Jesus is his Lord and Saviour. What is sure is that for the past few weeks his behaviour is changed and we never understood why. Only time will tell.

I mean this was a guy who broke into a holiday home and turned it into a drinking den for all and sundry to enjoy. That is until the caretaker arrived to find two sleeping on the premises and another three or four coming up the garden path with carryouts. He wasn't there but the finger was pointed, he was charged, spent some long hours in the cells, yet never came before a judge and that was some three years ago.

We then discovered that he was smoking canabis which daringly he did from the house on one or two occasions until threatened by me with eviction and a great deal of prayer. It appears that the prayer is working as he has not gone out for quite some time and there are no more queer smells in the house. Over and above that he has been made gaffer of the biscuit processing in the bakery where he works and where he has just finished his apprenticeship.

As I said, only time will tell. And, thank you for the kind words.

[Col. Tartleton]

gittany,

Just as a follow up my youngest son, now twentyone, who has been up to all that is naughtie, has revealed that without knowledge of any conversion has said that Jesus is his Lord and Saviour. What is sure is that for the past few weeks his behaviour is changed and we never understood why. Only time will tell.

I mean this was a guy who broke into a holiday home and turned it into a drinking den for all and sundry to enjoy. That is until the caretaker arrived to find two sleeping on the premises and another three or four coming up the garden path with carryouts. He wasn't there but the finger was pointed, he was charged, spent some long hours in the cells, yet never came before a judge and that was some three years ago.

We then discovered that he was smoking canabis which daringly he did from the house on one or two occasions until threatened by me with eviction and a great deal of prayer. It appears that the prayer is working as he has not gone out for quite some time and there are no more queer smells in the house. Over and above that he has been made gaffer of the biscuit processing in the bakery where he works and where he has just finished his apprenticeship.

As I said, only time will tell. And, thank you for the kind words.

I hope you realize that Jesus not only used cannabis for religious purposes but used it as the main component in his "faith" healing. Marijuana treats just about every ail under the sun and the ancient Israelites held it to be sacred and Jesus dispensed it to his flock and performed rituals with them. It's all clear in the bible. Jesus anointed himself and his followers with Nazer oil made from cannabis and entered a state of higher consciousness now called being stoned. That's what Christ means anointed in Cannabis. A practice related to the ancient Egyptian practice of anointing the Pharaoh's body with crocodile oil. Christian is basically the Greek word for a marijuana user. They're both derived from Kaneh-Bosem (Fragrant Canes) the Hebrew for Cannabis which is rather obvious if you just said Kaneh Bos (singular) and Cannabis. The Magi drank Haoma (or Soma) which was a mixture of cannabis oil, psychedelic mushrooms, and Calamus (another contender) is basically naturally occurring ecstasy.

Read the bible again sir. Your beliefs are misguided. These ancient prophets were very very high. Just like the Oracles at Delphi. Your faith can't protect you, the words are in the bible. Hemp oil is mentioned repeatedly.

Now I don't think kids ought to be given marijuana or religion until they're older but I'm not the parent of your children and they're adults now anyhow.

[fd7s]

I hope you realize that Jesus not only used cannabis for religious purposes but used it as the main component in his "faith" healing. Marijuana treats just about every ail under the sun and the ancient Israelites held it to be sacred and Jesus dispensed it to his flock and performed rituals with them. It's all clear in the bible. Jesus anointed himself and his followers with Nazer oil made from cannabis and entered a state of higher consciousness now called being stoned. That's what Christ means anointed in Cannabis. A practice related to the ancient Egyptian practice of anointing the Pharaoh's body with crocodile oil. Christian is basically the Greek word for a marijuana user. They're both derived from Kaneh-Bosem (Fragrant Canes) the Hebrew for Cannabis which is rather obvious if you just said Kaneh Bos (singular) and Cannabis. The Magi drank Haoma (or Soma) which was a mixture of cannabis oil, psychedelic mushrooms, and Calamus (another contender) is basically naturally occurring ecstasy.

Read the bible again sir. Your beliefs are misguided. These ancient prophets were very very high. Just like the Oracles at Delphi. Your faith can't protect you, the words are in the bible. Hemp oil is mentioned repeatedly.

Now I don't think kids ought to be given marijuana or religion until they're older but I'm not the parent of your children and they're adults now anyhow.

don't bring religion into this

Regarding the OP: No, loyalty to the family is unimportant, particularly when compared to loyalty towards ones self. The family unit is unnecessary for several reasons; families will ultimately become obsolete.

but then whats the point of having children? if family's become obsolete whats the point of the human race continuing? they just have children then leave them?

[basics]

Col. Tartleton,

I suspect you already know that what you have just written is a load of hogwash but nonetheless if that is what you believe so be it. I wrote of my particular circumstances which included our beliefs alongside the beliefs of those in our immediate family who as of yet don't share them. That does not detract and never can the love I have for them. For sure there are times that I don't like them just as at times they don't like me but the love never fails.

To associate drugs with Jesus is just silly, the point being that before I was saved I never indulged anything greater or worse than cigarettes and now I am saved the cigarettes remain but no drugs. Your take on the Bible is quite extraordinary, probably thought up on the spur of the moment, it having no bearing on the many lives I know of that have been changed thanks to Him and surprisingly even them that did smoke no longer do that any more.

[Justice and Mercy]

Your first loyalty is to yourself. You don't support your family at any cost and regardless of who they are.

But you do owe to your parents in particular respect and financial support when possible, unless they were just absolute monsters.

EDIT: Obviously this changes in regard to your own children. They are your responsibility until they are eighteen, and even then you should help them when possible.