Faction heir

**Marcus Ulpius Nerva Trajanus** · July 22, 2011, 04:44 PM

No, I won't ask how I can choose my faction heir. I have a method in order to do this.

But this doesn't want to work anymore, that's the matter ! I've made a trait that give the guy I want to become my heir a huge amount of authority. When a faction leader dies, the son who has the most of authority became his heir. Theorically it works perfectly, actually it has always worked well for me. I enjoyed many true dynasties 'til I got bored of them and decided to put an end to them.

But now I am really pissed off. My emperor has four potential heirs, only one of them is his child and they all have 3/4 children, except the son who isn't married. I gave the son the trait I talked about, and when the former emperor died, I expected the son of the new emperor to become the heir. He didn't.

Instead of him, I got an arse called Astikos who was old, who had no skill, who was ruining my empire. Right ! I sent him in a "death ship" to encounter some nice pirates, he died. I thought that Vasileios, the heir I want, would finally take his place. Hell no ! The elder son of Astikos became the heir. I killed him, his brother became heir, I killed the brother, the last one became the heir, I finally killed the last brother. And OBVIOUSLY one of the three remaining douchebags, who is OBVIOUSLY not the heir I want became the heir. So I stopped here. I didn't want to have to slaughter half of my family.

What the hell is wrong ? Vasileios has a huge authority. He should became the bloody heir ! This way to choose an heir used to work perfectly with me. I don't want a fool to rule my Empire, moreover I want the Komnenoi to give more than two emperors to Byzantium !

Sorry for my english.

**Sweger** · July 22, 2011, 05:55 PM

Yeah, the heir process is a mystery...I for one just assumed that the oldest son of the emperor/king/sultan/tzar would become the heir, and then his oldest son, and so on, but that wasn't the case. Can anyone bring total clarity in how this works? There's some rep to be earned

**Re_Minder** · July 22, 2011, 06:45 PM

Post your family tree if possible, I think I know what is screwing you and I'd like to confirm it... it's probably so called leftmost rule aka the leftmost guy (oldest son) always becomes heir. Then, authority doesn't mean jack - it only works with regents (when no direct heirs are alive/old enough).

**ChivalrousKiller** · July 22, 2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sweger

Yeah, the heir process is a mystery...I for one just assumed that the oldest son of the emperor/king/sultan/tzar would become the heir, and then his oldest son, and so on, but that wasn't the case. Can anyone bring total clarity in how this works? There's some rep to be earned

There is a mixture in there. Yes, the eldest son of the faction leader is supposed to become heir. But he must have come of age by then, if not, he will never take over the throne. If there are no grown sons, the family member with the highest authority gets the title.

**AJStoner** · July 22, 2011, 06:50 PM

Go through the dscr_character traits and remove or alter any traits that give authority to anyone except the current faction leader and faction heir. If they can't get authority, they won't be picked and your trait will work fine. You likely just had a lucky run of it for a while and now other people are racking-up authority through other means.

**Marcus Ulpius Nerva Trajanus** · July 22, 2011, 09:29 PM

First I thought it was because there were older presumptive heirs, but when I finally killed the last remaining presumptive heir, his son took his place.

**Delvecchio1975** · July 23, 2011, 05:43 AM

What is wrong here, is that you have a character running around that has negative authority through traits or ancilliaries. The game engine is bugged from this respect in that it thinks negative auth is actually +10 authority, so that beats the ancilliary you gave to your favourite. The only thing you can do is keep sending these nitwits to their deaths until you run out of them, and you'll see that your favourite will become heir ...

**the new username** · July 23, 2011, 10:23 AM

i wish that m2tw was like rome:u could choose ur heirs

**Sweger** · July 23, 2011, 10:31 AM

Well that is to more simulate historical manners. Rome was somewhot democratic and even though you were a dictator during war time, you had other options than a medieval king to choose an heir. In medieval times, if you held your brother/nephew/whatever for a terrible king, you simply killed him...That's what assassins are for

**Re_Minder** · July 23, 2011, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Sweger

Well that is to more simulate historical manners. Rome was somewhot democratic and even though you were a dictator during war time, you had other options than a medieval king to choose an heir. In medieval times, if you held your brother/nephew/whatever for a terrible king, you simply killed him...That's what assassins are for

Doesn't work too tho, killing your family with assassins

**Sweger** · July 23, 2011, 11:44 AM

True, but sometimes you get mission from AI princes asking you to kill their fathers...

**the new username** · July 23, 2011, 11:45 AM

yes, but those are from other factions. i love those missions

**Marcus Ulpius Nerva Trajanus** · July 23, 2011, 01:41 PM

Right, I finally slaughtered half of my family tree but, my greatest and youngest general is now the heir to the throne of Byzantium. God bless the rebels.