Major Change to TWC procedures

[Kscott]

Ok, well after this proposal many of you may deem me a radical, but I think that it is time for MAJOR reforming.

I was sitting in the car thinking about who know what, when it hit me!


Look at these for a second:
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I think you will see the problem.

We have the :
Prothalamos-Latin
Curia Vote-not latin
Tabularium -latin

obviously for sake of uniformity we have a problem. Surely the curia vote should take on some latin name so that the theme is correct.

Now the argument against this will be, Curia Vote is good because it tells people what the forum is for, but this argument doesnt make sense when you look at it. Why not have:
Curia Discussion
Curia Vote
Curia Records

Surely that would make the whole thing easier, but it is much less intresting. We have latin not because its easy, but becuase it gives the place a cool little feel.

So I think you latin boys need to find an apropriate name or the dignity of the curia is at risk!

[Mímirswell]

Cista means Ballot Box and Suffragium is a vote; both could work. Of the two, I'm partial to The Curia Cista.

[Kscott]

Curia Cista is beautiful

[Spiff]

hmm no not Cista it sounds far too similar to cyst, even if it is pronounced Kysta in latin (not sure on that one), which doesnt have nice connotations for me regardless


"Curia Suffragium" makes most sense to me, there no ambiguity as everyone already associates Suffragium with suffrage anyway

[MoROmeTe]

Curia Suffragium semmes more approapiate for me...

[Seleukos]

I am all for Curia Suffragium. But changing a name of a sub-forum isnt exactly Curia business. I can twiddle my thumbs OR take all of a second and a half and change it myself.

[Spiff]

well you could just change it, but i think a quick vote would be more appropriate if youd be willing

a) Curia Cista
b) Curia Suffragium
c) <Need more suggestions>
d) Keep it as Curia Vote

[Belisarius]

I always wanter to rename the curia to - The Senate, lol.

[Virgil]

I am all for Curia Suffragium. But changing a name of a sub-forum isnt exactly Curia business. I can twiddle my thumbs OR take all of a second and a half and change it myself.

Way to go seleukos. I am all for that plan of action. Either that LVs plan.


PS - how is this a mjor change to TWC procedures? Its just a name change.

[Tom Paine]

LV's suggestion also has merit really...

[Spiff]

Not really, the senate would be made up of senators, this is made up of citizens which makes it more the equivalent of an assembly of the tribes

[Tom Paine]

Except we exclude many people here, and the tribes never voted on anything beyond electing consuls in Rome.

[Spiff]

im sure the tribe assemblies would vote on legislation too, and who do we exclude? The only people i know we exclude are non-citizens

EDIT:

The wiki kinda backs me up, though apparently it was a subset of the tribes that voted on some legislation.. i was half right!

from the Wiki

Comitia Tributa

The Comitia Tributa (Tribal Assembly) included both patricians and plebeians distributed among the thirty-five tribes into which all Roman citizens were placed for administrative and electoral purposes. The vast majority of the urban population of Rome was distributed among the four urban tribes, which meant that their votes were individually insignificant. Like the Centuriate Assembly, voting was indirect, with one vote apportioned to each tribe. The voting was therefore heavily slanted in favor of the thirty-one rural tribes. The Tribal Assembly met in the well of the Comitia in the Forum Romanum, and elected the aediles curulis, the quaestors, and the military tribunes (tribuni militum). It conducted most trials until the dictator Lucius Cornelius Sulla established the standing courts (quaestiones).

A subset of the Tribal Assembly, called the Plebeian Council, legislated for the plebeians and lower classes and elected the plebeian tribunes and aediles. Their plebiscites only had the force of law for the entire Republic after 287 BC.

[Justinian]

As much as I'd like to just change the name of the subforum, for some odd reason the name of the Curia Vote subforum is specified in the Syntagma:

The Curia is broken into distinct sections: Curia - for general discussion of governance related matters; Prothalamos - area specifically for proposing and discussing legislation and ideas but not for voting; Curia Vote - area for submitting proposed legislation for voting

Logically an amendment would be necessary.

[Seleukos]

Well now, my plan of action has just recieved a month delay.

[Basileos Leandros I]

I also want the Senate....

[Mímirswell]

Well now, my plan of action has just recieved a month delay.

Two revisions that cut the time needed for legislative process in half were recently passed. Now it's 10 days from the start of the proposal till implementation (in optimal conditions) for acts and amendments alike.

[Simetrical]

Prothalamos: Lationes Curiae
Curia Vote: Suffragia Curiae
Tabularium: Tabularium Curiae

My dictionary gives latio as meaning "right; proposal (of law); entering (payment)". The three would thus mean "Proposals of the Curia", "Votes of the Curia", and "Record-Office of the Curia". Curia suffragium is basically nonsensical in Latin, because it has no attributive nouns as English does; the equivalent would be suffragium curiae, with curia converted to the genitive (= of the Curia). I've further tweaked that by pluralizing suffragium.

Prothalamos is not Latin, by the way. It's Greek of some sort, as indicated by the presence of th and the -os ending. What it means, and whether it's προθαλαμος or πρωθαλαμος, I have no idea. boris seemed to like Greek (Syntagma is Greek as well, betrayed by the y and gm).

[Spiff]

Prothalamos: Lationes Curiae
Curia Vote: Suffragia Curiae
Tabularium: Tabularium Curiae

I like these and would support an amendment to that effect..

But not the senate, that would make little sense - and lets face it, sounds a bit too Star Warsy

[removeduser_426582376423734]

I agree with KScott here. I, myself, know little latin, and Prothalamos/Tabularium make no sene to me. Curia Discussion and Curia Records would go well, IMO.