Jon snows birth [SPOILERS]

[Ghardison]

Among the book there are many theorys to jon snows birth. They are varied from The mother to be Ashara Dayne and Edd being the father or The parents to be Rhaegar and Lyanna stark which is the one i personally think is the most likly since all of the mystery of the tower of joy and Rhaegar and Lyanna.

[Captain Zoran]

Among the book there are many theorys to jon snows birth. They are varied from The mother to be Ashara Dayne and Edd being the father or The parents to be Rhaegar and Lyanna stark which is the one i personally think is the most likly since all of the mystery of the tower of joy and Rhaegar and Lyanna.

Hm, Ive never thought about that. The more I think about, the more plausible it seems... +rep for you I like the idea.

[Lynx54321]

On other forums this has been done to death, the general consensus is that Lyanna + Rhaegar is the most probable parentage of Jon.

It explains the Kings Guard being at the tower when Eddard turns up, they were defending Rhaegar's son not Lyanna. The dates also make much more sense than any other possibility.

It explains Ned's silence over the issue and it also removes the only blot on Ned's honour which going on everything we know about him he would not of tarnished.

It also makes Jon and Daenarys related which brings into play several prophecies as well as the concept of three dragons needing three riders (Targaryens).

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/george-r-r-martin/ Have a search in here for much more information and some other interesting theories too.

[Jaime Goldenhand]

On other forums this has been done to death, the general consensus is that Lyanna + Rhaegar is the most probable parentage of Jon.

It explains the Kings Guard being at the tower when Eddard turns up, they were defending Rhaegar's son not Lyanna. The dates also make much more sense than any other possibility.

It explains Ned's silence over the issue and it also removes the only blot on Ned's honour which going on everything we know about him he would not of tarnished.

It also makes Jon and Daenarys related which brings into play several prophecies as well as the concept of three dragons needing three riders (Targaryens).

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/george-r-r-martin/ Have a search in here for much more information and some other interesting theories too.

I'm hoping that Howland Reed will come into play soon and tell Jon who his real parents are. He is the only living person who was at the Tower of Joy

[Sanguinary Guardian]

On other forums this has been done to death, the general consensus is that Lyanna + Rhaegar is the most probable parentage of Jon.

It explains the Kings Guard being at the tower when Eddard turns up, they were defending Rhaegar's son not Lyanna. The dates also make much more sense than any other possibility.

It explains Ned's silence over the issue and it also removes the only blot on Ned's honour which going on everything we know about him he would not of tarnished.

It also makes Jon and Daenarys related which brings into play several prophecies as well as the concept of three dragons needing three riders (Targaryens).

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/george-r-r-martin/ Have a search in here for much more information and some other interesting theories too.

But, as we all know, GRRM loves his surprises.

[Cazac]

On other forums this has been done to death, the general consensus is that Lyanna + Rhaegar is the most probable parentage of Jon.

It explains the Kings Guard being at the tower when Eddard turns up, they were defending Rhaegar's son not Lyanna. The dates also make much more sense than any other possibility.

It explains Ned's silence over the issue and it also removes the only blot on Ned's honour which going on everything we know about him he would not of tarnished.

It also makes Jon and Daenarys related which brings into play several prophecies as well as the concept of three dragons needing three riders (Targaryens).

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/george-r-r-martin/ Have a search in here for much more information and some other interesting theories too.

Okay i understand this and a concur, but who would be the third rider aside from Jon and Dany?

[Jaime Goldenhand]

I hope it will be Victarion cuz he is such a badass and he has that horn that can supposedly control dragons

[Cazac]

I hope it will be Victarion cuz he is such a badass and he has that horn that can supposedly control dragons

IDK why but I have a very strong feeling, Arya will eventually become the third rider now that i've had some time to think about it. I'm sure we're a bit past this discussion point, but just thought i'd throw it out there

[lh197]

I hope it will be Victarion cuz he is such a badass and he has that horn that can supposedly control dragons

Does the 'Tyrion the Secret Targaryen' conspiracy fit into this? Cos I like that one But Victarion is also absolutely awesome, especially after Dance

[Nye]

Okay i understand this and a concur, but who would be the third rider aside from Jon and Dany?

Read Dance.

[Cazac]

3 more days till it arrives (I live in Romania, doh ) and Jaime, i thought Crows Eye had the horn, or do things radically change in dance?

[flopsies]

I think it's Cersei. I just started storm of Swords, but I think that Ned is so shy of it is because he had it with the enemy. Or just some wench.

[WinsingtonIII]

Another point on the side of Lyanna + Rhaegar: Before he died, Ned kept thinking about his "promise" to Lyanna, but he never says what it was. It seems pretty likely that the promise was to keep her son safe.

[FOR GONDOR]

I think it's Cersei. I just started storm of Swords, but I think that Ned is so shy of it is because he had it with the enemy. Or just some wench.

......... really now? with cersi lannister, give me proof and i will belive you but now you just pissed me off.. i love these books and trust me edd + cersi = jon? BULL! were would he have the time, and not to mention that cersi LOVES ONLY JAIME AND WAS ENGAGED TO BE WED TO ROBERT BARATHEON!

[Sanguinary Guardian]

......... really now? with cersi lannister, give me proof and i will belive you but now you just pissed me off.. i love these books and trust me edd + cersi = jon? BULL! were would he have the time, and not to mention that cersi LOVES ONLY JAIME AND WAS ENGAGED TO BE WED TO ROBERT BARATHEON!

AFFC spoiler, read at your risk

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Cersei says that before Jaime, she loved Rhaegar, whom she was supposed to marry (and Aerys canceled the betrothed, shaming Tywin Lannister in public). She was madly in love with Rhaegar, even more than with Jaime.

[Fulgrim88]

AFFC spoiler, read at your risk

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Cersei says that before Jaime, she loved Rhaegar, whom she was supposed to marry (and Aerys canceled the betrothed, shaming Tywin Lannister in public). She was madly in love with Rhaegar, even more than with Jaime.

But the age is completely wrong. Even if, and thats very unlikely, they had sexytime, Jon would be way older. And there'd be no reason whatsoever why he'd end up with a Stark, looking like a Stark.

[Sanguinary Guardian]

But the age is completely wrong. Even if, and thats very unlikely, they had sexytime, Jon would be way older. And there'd be no reason whatsoever why he'd end up with a Stark, looking like a Stark.

Of course, I never claimed that, I wrote down this fact because the guy above had said that Cersei only ever loved Jaime.

[WinsingtonIII]

Jon looking like a Stark.

This is important, and something I think people forget sometimes (I know I do) because it hasn't really been mentioned since the first book, but in the first book, it was mentioned multiple times that he looked like Ned. This means that one of his parents has to be either:

Ned: a bit too obvious, considering it's what has been thought the entire time, and that is not Martin's style.

Lyanna: Has the most evidence behind it, but I do understand those who say that Martin would not do something that has become so widely predicted. However, keep in mind that Martin may have had this as the plan from the start of the series and thought that it would be harder to guess than it actually was. I don't see him going back and changing something he had planned on just because people started guessing the truth.

Brandon: He would have been dead before Jon was conceived though, right? Unless Jon is older than we think he is and was conceived when Brandon went south with his father before they died, only to be returned north by Ned some time later. Still, doesn't seem likely to me.

Benjen: How could it be him, though? He didn't go south with Ned, right? Plus, he never acted particularly fatherly towards Jon, and you think he would have considering.

The point is, any theory that does not include a Stark as a parent does not really make sense because it has been stated too many times that he looks like a Stark.

[Heart of Madness]

AFFC spoiler, read at your risk

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Cersei says that before Jaime, she loved Rhaegar, whom she was supposed to marry (and Aerys canceled the betrothed, shaming Tywin Lannister in public). She was madly in love with Rhaegar, even more than with Jaime.

That's 100% true everyone... however, I believe as always Rhaegar is the father, and Lyanna is the mother.

[MAMO72]

But, even if Raeghar e Lyanna are Jon's parents, we still have two Targaryens for three dragons, who is the third?