No mangonel for Kiev or Novgorod

[yxele]

Is there a historical reason behind that Kiev and Novgorod does not have the ability to build mangonels,
or is it just an oversight by the faction designers ?

[Lazy-Hamish]

i doubt it's an oversight since king kong and the other designres put so much research into this mod, probably for balancing purposes, i guess it's partly due to their amazing cavalry, so they lose the mangonel so they don't overpower other factions, though thisis just speculation

[MikeNice808]

We get gypped.....pure and simple....amazing calvalry my....

[Caesar Clivus]

Is there any historical evidence that says Kiev or Novgorod built Mangonels?

[MikeNice808]

Is there any historical evidence that says Kiev or Novgorod built Mangonels?

even if theres no historical evidence....what about play balance.....is there historical evidence of England taking over the map???? yet its easily done....

[Caesar Clivus]

even if theres no historical evidence....what about play balance.....is there historical evidence of England taking over the map???? yet its easily done....

Yes it's called the British Empire

Arguing unit rosters against game mechanics is like comparing chalk and cheese. Taking over the map is (largely) the goal of the game. No it's not accurate but what can (and to me should) be accurate is the tools given to players to achieve that goal, i.e. accurate unit rosters. Give everyone mangonels? Why not give everyone heavy cavalry? Or top notch spearmen? Or horse archers? Why? Because it'd make all factions bland and generic.

[MikeNice808]

Yes it's called the British Empire

Arguing unit rosters against game mechanics is like comparing chalk and cheese. Taking over the map is (largely) the goal of the game. No it's not accurate but what can (and to me should) be accurate is the tools given to players to achieve that goal, i.e. accurate unit rosters. Give everyone mangonels? Why not give everyone heavy cavalry? Or top notch spearmen? Or horse archers? Why? Because it'd make all factions bland and generic.

I guess your right in that respect I just feel the Ukrainians get gypped in this game overall....not just them but they're my team...

[Caesar Clivus]

I guess your right in that respect I just feel the Ukrainians get gypped in this game overall....not just them but they're my team...

That's why I re-did their roster for Battle for the Baltic 2

[Dahoota]

I don't know much about the military history of these two factions, but the fact that it is specifically the two Russian factions suggests that there might be a historical basis for it.

Also if it was an oversight I imagine it would have been fixed aaaagggeeesss ago (well before version 6.4), so it sounds like an intentional omission.

[ziserman]

Well are there other factions that can't build mangonels?

[yxele]

As far as I can tell, the factions that can't build mangonels are : Kiev , Novgorod , Lithuania , mongols , Cumans.

maybe it´s a european thing.

[misterbull]

Yeah, sounds like a historical reason similar to how the east would have monster bombards while the west wouldn't.

[Ichon]

I like historical accuracy but its hard to argue it when its unevenly applied. Some considerations due to balance make sense.

[k/t]

Well, they got gypped in real life too, so the game is historically accurate.

[MikeNice808]

Well, they got gypped in real life too, so the game is historically accurate.

dude stop responding to my posts....your annoying....when I find somebody annoying I IGNORE...(took your retort from ya...)

That's why I re-did their roster for Battle for the Baltic 2

Yeah bro I can't wait for the 6.4 version to come out....good job-its a great area...