something about Greeks

**Agrez** · July 20, 2011, 01:47 AM

Can i ask if the greek hoplites will have corinthian style helmets

**Paul d** · July 20, 2011, 02:06 AM

Probably not. The Corinthian helmet was a bit outdated by EB's starting date. Most Hoplites would have Attic, Thracian, Attico-Thracian, Chalcidean(somewhat outdated), and perhaps Boeotian or Phrygian helmets by this time period.

It really is astonishing how diverse equipment from antiquity is, every piece is a unique construct.

**Automatix** · July 20, 2011, 05:41 AM

yes in helenistic armies this helmed wasn't used.

Regards Automatix

**Himster** · July 20, 2011, 06:09 AM

The italians had a bastardised version of the corinthian helmet.

**medievaldude** · July 20, 2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by gagonious

Can i ask if the greek hoplites will have corinthian style helmets

Attic, Saida 2, Thracian, Phrygian, pilos, Those two sick azz Ptolemaic helmets, and others are better and will replace the Corinthian

**bobbin** · July 21, 2011, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by gagonious

Can i ask if the greek hoplites will have corinthian style helmets

No Corinthian helmets, they had been long gone by our start date.

**squeehunter** · July 23, 2011, 04:57 AM

It would be nice to see them very very rarely on the poorer troops. Someone couldn't afford a helmet but they're farmers on an old battlefield and they dug one up. It's not like they all got melted down. I mean we have some now.

**Foot** · July 23, 2011, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by squeehunter

It would be nice to see them very very rarely on the poorer troops. Someone couldn't afford a helmet but they're farmers on an old battlefield and they dug one up. It's not like they all got melted down. I mean we have some now.

By that logic any anachronistic equipment could be in EBII, which would be ridiculous. We base our unit designs on historical evidence, and its not possible for us to include "accidental" equipment. There may well have been cases where a farmer used equipment that had otherwise fallen out of fashion, but this would not have happened at the frequency required for us to include it in game.

Foot

**squeehunter** · July 26, 2011, 10:15 AM

This brings up a good question. What DID people do with unfashionable equipment? I have a chart of Greek helmet evolution and post-corinthian it looks like it would have been possible to start cutting the helmet up to make the more modern desgins. First cut ear holes in it and then remove the nose guard, cut away the mouth covering, and then turn what's left of the face into hinged cheek guards. I'm not sure what they were working with back then but from first hand experience cutting metal in half with a punch or chisel isn't the easiest way to do it. Still cheaper than getting a new helmet made.

**Visarion** · July 27, 2011, 03:01 PM

predictable question...

**bugmg** · July 30, 2011, 12:43 PM

A llot of things get recycled through the years, and I agree, that this would have been far too sparse to witness on a regular basis, like those in game. But I like the thought of I poor farmer with an Aechean style helmet on his head.