Duelism

**Alpha Zeke** · July 18, 2011, 04:54 PM

So take this scenario. In most religions it is said that one man who kills is a sinner. Two men who kill two other men are both sinners. But since murder is considered one of the worst crimes, couldn't one man go ahead and kill every man making the world a little bit worse with the knowledge that he would be the only man racking up sin instead of other people who want to make the world a better place? Then, you could consider this mans dedication to vanquishing evil people through murder a sacrifice of his own soul, and are sacrifice's not rewarded when they have good intentions? Of course, I am not talking anything specific to a specific religion, just the basis of them.

Just food for thought, always had it on my mind, just wanted to share it.

**O.Chrysostomos** · July 18, 2011, 05:37 PM

If anyone insults my honour I'd have no compunction in challenging him to a duel so I guess you could say I believe in duellism too.

**Alpha Zeke** · July 18, 2011, 05:40 PM

I guess I should change the title, because when the second post doesn't read the OP or trolls in a serious forum... its sad.

**mw2xboxplayer** · July 18, 2011, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha Zeke

couldn't one man go ahead and kill every man making the world a little bit worse with the knowledge that he would be the only man racking up sin instead of other people who want to make the world a better place?

I don't fully understand this part, could you elaborate?

I understand the second part about justified killings, but I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say in the quoted sentence above.

**Ancient Aliens** · July 18, 2011, 06:57 PM

What exactly does the OP have to do with Dualism (I can only assume this is what you were originally refering to).

As to the OP itself, are you trying to say that the concept of sin is accumulative? I think it is...

**O.Chrysostomos** · July 18, 2011, 07:36 PM

Also not every religion thinks killing someone is the greatest sin. In Islam shirk (the joining of others to Allah's singular essence) is considered the greatest sin of all.

I don't think sins are cumulative because otherwise you'd have to say many, many prayers to remove them all whereas you just confess to the priest and away they go.

**Ancient Aliens** · July 18, 2011, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by O.Chrysostomos

I don't think sins are cumulative because otherwise you'd have to say many, many prayers to remove them all whereas you just confess to the priest and away they go.

Depending upon which branch of Christianity you belong to.

**Alpha Zeke** · July 18, 2011, 10:59 PM

Dualism was the only thing I could think of, although if anyone has a better more interesting title, lay it on me.

So even if sin is accumulative or not, if person A were to kill every person making the world evil, he is the only person who would be a sinner, and in terms that would be 1 soul lost to sin. This then would be a sacrifice because he is sacrificing his soul to sin to save all of the other people who would potentially kill someone worthy of being killed which would make them sinners in them selves. Saavy?

**Ancient Aliens** · July 18, 2011, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha Zeke

Dualism was the only thing I could think of, although if anyone has a better more interesting title, lay it on me.

So even if sin is accumulative or not, if person A were to kill every person making the world evil, he is the only person who would be a sinner, and in terms that would be 1 soul lost to sin. This then would be a sacrifice because he is sacrificing his soul to sin to save all of the other people who would potentially kill someone worthy of being killed which would make them sinners in them selves. Saavy?

I understand now. No. In the Christian ethics, sin does not absolve sin. Sin can only be forgiven by their god.

**mw2xboxplayer** · July 18, 2011, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha Zeke

if person A were to kill every person making the world evil, he is the only person who would be a sinner, and in terms that would be 1 soul lost to sin.

The above statement is correct. Although, his soul would not be redeemed because he did not 'sacrifice' by killing evil-doers from a Christian moral perspective; he only sinned. Thus, his soul would be punished.

**Alpha Zeke** · July 18, 2011, 11:10 PM

So, just thinking theoretically, even if that man would not be absolved of his sin, he still would be doing a good thing for the world, right? (If all those people truly were making the world a terrible place)

**Ancient Aliens** · July 18, 2011, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha Zeke

So, just thinking theoretically, even if that man would not be absolved of his sin, he still would be doing a good thing for the world, right? (If all those people truly were making the world a terrible place)

No, because he "robbed" the people he murdered of the chance to claim their place in heaven, and their chance to absolve their own sins.

**mw2xboxplayer** · July 18, 2011, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha Zeke

So, just thinking theoretically, even if that man would not be absolved of his sin, he still would be doing a good thing for the world, right? (If all those people truly were making the world a terrible place)

I am assuming that these judgement are being made from a Christian's moral standpoint? If so, the following response in applicable:

In Christian morality, murder is a sin. There is no justification for killing if it is committed for selfish, personal reasons. (Only matters of defending one's self would killing be justified.)

Thus, the context of the man's actions are what define him as a sinner or not. Did he kill for 'personal reasons', or was he defending himself?