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    Default As transition process starts, assasinations and attacks escalate in Afghanistan

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    KABUL, July 18 (Reuters) - U.S. General David Petraeus, Washington's new intelligence chief, handed over command of foreign troops in Afghanistan on Monday but worsening violence cast a shadow over the tentative start of a process to transfer security to Afghan forces.
    Eleven Afghan police were killed on Monday, seven of them in an attack by Taliban gunmen on a police checkpoint in the volatile southern city of Lashkar Gah which is to be handed over to Afghan security forces in two days.
    The frequency and scale of recent attacks have been a worrying sign as the transition process begins, with U.S. and other NATO forces racing to train enough soldiers and police to take over completely and allow all foreign combat troops to leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014.
    Daoud Ahmadi, a spokesman for the governor of Helmand province, where much of the fight against the Taliban had been focused during Petraeus' tenure, confirmed the attack and said seven police were killed.
    The Taliban quickly claimed responsibility.
    In neighbouring Kandahar province, the birthplace of the Taliban, a district police chief and another three officers were killed by a roadside bomb, one of the most lethal weapons employed by insurgents.
    "The Afghan people and the government are committed in implementing the transition process despite all the disruptions created," Waheed Omer, the chief spokesman for Afghan President Hamid Karzai, said of the recent spike in violence.
    "Efforts have been intensified to disrupt this process, efforts have been made to disable the Afghan government and people from taking responsibility for security," he said.

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    Petraeus, credited with reversing a spiral towards civil war in Iraq, took over in Afghanistan a year ago. He is leaving the military to take over as director of the Central Intelligence Agency, replacing Leon Panetta, the new U.S. defence secretary.
    Petraeus, who handed over to U.S. Marine Corps General John Allen, oversaw a "surge" of 30,000 extra U.S. forces which helped stop the momentum of a growing insurgency, especially in the Taliban heartland in the south. He led a similar escalation of forces that helped turn around the Iraq conflict in 2007-08.
    However, despite gains in violent southern provinces during Petraeus' year in charge, recent attacks have shown the Taliban-led insurgency is still far from quelled.
    Violence across Afghanistan in 2010 hit its worst levels since the Taliban were ousted by U.S.-led Afghan forces in 2001, with civilian and military casualties hitting record levels, and this year has followed a similar trend.
    In another especially gruesome incident on Monday, two Afghans were beheaded in the west, villagers and police said. They were kidnapped along with 33 others last week for apparently supporting the Afghan government.
    Their beheaded bodies were sent back to their families.

    CHALLENGES AHEAD
    Petraeus and other senior officials at the change-of-command ceremony acknowledged that more tough fighting remained despite gains that have been made over the past year.
    "We should be clear-eyed about the challenges that lie ahead," Petraeus, who is expected to take over at the CIA in September, said at the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) headquarters in Kabul.
    Underlining those challenges, ISAF said on Monday three of its troops had been killed by a homemade bomb in Afghanistan's east, where some of the toughest fighting has taken place over the past year and where a fractured insurgency still rages.
    Some analysts have questioned the success of Petraeus' much-vaunted counter-insurgency strategy in the face of rising violence. But Allen vowed to press ahead.
    "It is my intention to maintain the momentum of this great campaign on which we have embarked," Allen said.
    On Sunday, ISAF handed security control over to Afghan forces in central Bamiyan province, marking the formal start of the gradual transition process.
    Bamiyan, one of the safest of Afghanistan's 34 provinces and long an anti-Taliban redoubt, was the first of seven areas to be handed over during the first phase of transition.
    Lashkar Gah is one of the next to be handed over. U.S., British and Afghan troops swept through the sparsely populated desert outside the city at the weekend to root out Taliban fighters who might try to disrupt the transfer.
    "This is very important for our security. It's also important for the transition of Lashkar Gah. We will make a screen for the Taliban not to cross or bother our security build-up," Afghan Army Major Mohaib told Reuters.
    The first phase of transfers, mostly in areas considered relatively safe, will be a critical test of the readiness of Afghan forces.
    Late on Sunday, gunmen killed an adviser to Afghan President Hamid Karzai and another Afghan lawmaker, days after Ahmed Wali Karzai, the president's half-brother and one of the most powerful men in Kandahar, was killed.
    Last month, Taliban gunmen and suicide bombers attacked a leading hotel in the capital in a raid which killed 12 people.
    Such killings, many claimed by the Taliban, have sent chilling warnings to political leaders about the reach of the Taliban, who have shown an ability to adapt their tactics even as their strength has been diminished.

    So in a week Taliban assasinated 4 important officials.I am wondering what would be the rate of these assasinations if NATO hadnt "weakened" Taliban...

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    Where is the disconnect between the ears of media and others who cannot understand that anytime you do something big, the enemy will try and match it? In this case, small groups of Taliban have succeeded in the missions they were given. And any Western security details would not have let them. In all these cases, complacency and ineptitude played a large part.

    If you want to credit the Taliban, so be it. They certainly get more than enough for simply existing. But in reality this is nothing more than low fruit for people who want to criticize.
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    Now they'll start steadily realizing the resolve it will take to come out ontop of this conflict. It's suddenly much more alarming when you start having less Americans and westerners fighting and dying for their safety.
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    During transition there would be a period of chaos since ANA needs time to be familiar about its new operation environment.
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    Now they'll start steadily realizing the resolve it will take to come out ontop of this conflict. It's suddenly much more alarming when you start having less Americans and westerners fighting and dying for their safety.
    No they won't. Throughout Afghan history these types of assassination have been common practice amongst the people bickering for power. The switching of alliances too is so well ingrained into everyday politics, it's going to be very hard to prevent this. The killing of AWK by one of his long trusted lieutenants is a very good example of how easy and unexpected it can be.

    It also illustrates the spin of NATO that we have turned a corner in Afghanistan, we haven't. I think last year or this spring NATO was adamant that the Haqqani network was so badly damaged that attacks in Kabul would be highly unlikely. That proves to be a bit optimistic. This went of the radar for some reason: East of Kabul 7 French NATO soldiers died and various wounded in an ambush by fighters of Haqqani and HIG.

    Ticking off Karzai allies is smart from the Taliban perspective, what most Afghans will do is try and make a deal with them. How far their influence reaches: In Paktika or Paktia (I always mix up the two) 80% of all the government positions are vacant, nobody daring or unwilling to step forward and take the job. In a lot of area's they been able to prevent the central government taking control, building state capacity, in areas where things went relatively well, they've managed to turn the process around and last but not least: the central government is now nothing more than a lose collection of warlords who cling on to power through massive fraud and violence. There's no state at all. Any independent Afghan government operating in this environment will be a push-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumpfendorfer View Post
    I think last year or this spring NATO was adamant that the Haqqani network was so badly damaged that attacks in Kabul would be highly unlikely. That proves to be a bit optimistic. This went of the radar for some reason: East of Kabul 7 French NATO soldiers died and various wounded in an ambush by fighters of Haqqani and HIG.
    Well, if you think. I mean I dont remember seeing anything about the percentage chance of attacks in Kabul being on the decline after the stepped up winter campaign.

    This happens every summer. The sky is falling. To me it was not about the number or severity of attacks during the first months of fighting season - but how long the Taliban can sustain any ramped up pace. And the pace hasn't been anything to the level where you see them being able to sustain until the snow falls.

    It is just a small amount of guys getting everyones dander up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    Well, if you think. I mean I dont remember seeing anything about the percentage chance of attacks in Kabul being on the decline after the stepped up winter campaign.

    This happens every summer. The sky is falling. To me it was not about the number or severity of attacks during the first months of fighting season - but how long the Taliban can sustain any ramped up pace. And the pace hasn't been anything to the level where you see them being able to sustain until the snow falls.

    It is just a small amount of guys getting everyones dander up.
    Forgot who it was, given that the number of attacks is much higher compared to last year, the number of civilian and military casualties too, and large parts of the country have been infiltrated even further by the Taliban, NATO's pr offensive that all is going well is misplaced. It's based on a small drop of 5% of attacks on NATO in the last couple of weeks.

    The numbers of captured and killed Taliban are also disputed, apparently more than 3/4 quarters of captured Taliban have been released already for not being Taliban. Whether the killed Taliban were actually Taliban remains sketchy as well, according to quite a few sources.

    The areas in the South cleared of Taliban remain small pockets so far, that's the good news, while in the North/North-East Taliban have been able to expand into large parts of Balkh, Kunar and Nuristan.

    So the strategic stalemate continues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumpfendorfer View Post
    Forgot who it was, given that the number of attacks is much higher compared to last year, the number of civilian and military casualties too, and large parts of the country have been infiltrated even further by the Taliban, NATO's pr offensive that all is going well is misplaced. It's based on a small drop of 5% of attacks on NATO in the last couple of weeks.
    There's an increase in casualties because of an increasing of offensive actions by units coming in. For instance, the last two previous Marine battalions that have come into Helmand, principally in Sangin, have been very aggressive in clearing out the Taliban and have been pretty successful. When 3/5 arrived there they relieved 42 Commando and 1/7 I think it was... anyway the stuff in Helmand had been very limited offensive operations and mainly ISAF forces just enforcing the status quo. 3/5 came in and started to clear all of the areas that were declared Taliban and they were successful in that. They suffered for it, though.

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    What was achieved?Is the country a bastion of democratic values?Are the people safer?Has the growing of heroin been stopped?How many billions or trillians has the 10yr war cost and how many have died?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom cruise View Post
    What was achieved?Is the country a bastion of democratic values?Are the people safer?Has the growing of heroin been stopped?How many billions or trillians has the 10yr war cost and how many have died?
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    Yeah we all know Afghanistan was heaven before the 2001 invasion. Ohh wait. Anyway, the goal is to make the ANA capable of figthing the Taliban themselves. Besides, the war has mostly dragged on because the US shifted focus to Iraq, IRC, and because the Taliban can retreat into Pakistan and use it's tribal areas as staging posts and supply center to continue the fight.

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    We did not realy achieve much though did we with the war?I mean the taliban will be back when the USA troops pull out.The country has always been shite yes but have we helped by starting another war in that country that has always seen wars

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom cruise View Post
    We did not realy achieve much though did we with the war?I mean the taliban will be back when the USA troops pull out.The country has always been shite yes but have we helped by starting another war in that country that has always seen wars
    No it hasn't. Afghanistan was doing decently before the USSR decided to intervene and the whole Afghanistan war ruined the country completely. The resulting US intervention did little good. A country that has been wrecked by over 30 years of war is not going to flourish immediately. Ousting the Taliban from power was a good thing, otherwise Afghanistan would have remained a hotbed of terrorism and an islamist theocracy. At least know Afghanistan might develop and oneday become decent stable state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom cruise View Post
    We did not realy achieve much though did we with the war?I mean the taliban will be back when the USA troops pull out.The country has always been shite yes but have we helped by starting another war in that country that has always seen wars
    We managed to reduce their capacity (probably) to wage war and conduct operations in the US and Europe. Could we have done that without putting people on the ground? Maybe.

    I think going over there and :wub:ping the Taliban government was worthwhile, not sure I would have stuck around though. The ideology of whatever muslim government you put in power is always going to have a lot more in common with the Taliban then NATO and its allies, as fellow muslims vs infidels.

    Whatever was the reason for going or staying, we need to go now. Absolutely no point in being there, and we should just bring the troops home.
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    We did not realy achieve much though did we with the war?I mean the taliban will be back when the USA troops pull out.The country has always been shite yes but have we helped by starting another war in that country that has always seen wars
    Clearly it would have been much better to either ignore their harboring of Al Queda and not do anything meaningful to stop it or to invade the country, wreck the place, and just leave. It worked out so well when the Russians did it. Why is it that you people always have so much criticism but never any alternate suggestions?

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    Diplomacy =alternate suggestions?

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    Diploacy only works sometimes. If the Taliban believe they can just stall and wait for ISAF to leave, then diplomacy is worthless.

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    Diplomacy =alternate suggestions?
    "Diplomacy" is not a suggestion. It's a word.

    It's like me saying "Well, how about we try success"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    "Diplomacy" is not a suggestion. It's a word.

    It's like me saying "Well, how about we try success"?
    LOL, s.rwitt.

    And Tom, we actually are using diplomacy with the more reasonable Taliban factions. I think actually the rate of defections on both sides is relatively equal, with the people in the villages caught in between and pressured by both.
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    I dont mean to appear to critisize the USA in my previous post.I do love the USA secretly.I just think the war was a waste of trillians of dollars and brave men died.And those crazys are still over there hiding out in Pakistan just waiting.Dam i should have been born in the 60s hippys like me were kewl then and free love was around...

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    So you'd rather let the Afghans suffer under the Taliban?

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