Introduction

**Deutschland** · July 21, 2011, 09:10 AM

Lol you totally live up to your name XD

**JERUSALEM** · July 21, 2011, 10:07 AM

The mod is really Great ! Cheers to all members who work for it

But I have some suggestions for you guys and hope you do not mind those advise.

1. First of all i think the banner of the Sassanid Empire has to be changed - the Old Eagle for Sassanid Persia
is more historically accurate.

2. the banner for the Kingdom of Kartli is taken from the Colchian tetri (lit. Colchian silver coin) which was actually
the banner used by Colchians (Kolhida or Colches. Western Georgia. The Kartli is Eastern one) from BC. 6th to 3rd cc. later in the beginning of the 3rd century
Kingdom of Kartli annexed the Colchian Kingdom. but later in BC 107 Kingdom of Pontus conquered the Colchis.
After the fall of Kingdom of Pontus the Roman rule was established and later in 2nd century AD the new
kingdom of Lazica was established under the protection of Roman Empire in order to protect the Roman borders from
North-East where the North Caucasian step people lived. And this new Kingdom of Lazica established in ca.100
maintains that they are the successors of mighty Kingdom of Colchis hence Kingdom of Lazica is successor of Colchis
and has all symbols inherited from Colchis. And Kingdom of Kartli/Iberia has nothing to do with Colchian symbols. Consequently the symbol you have used for
the Kingdom of Kartli is better to use for the Kingdom of Lazica

3. As for the symbol of Kingdom of Kartli it is better to use the Christian symbols for example so-called ''Bolnuri cross''
which is kind of national symbol and the Georgian type of cross introduced in the 5th century on the temple of Bolnisi sion (474-494).
That is why scholars refer is as Bolnuri means from Bolnisi. Some even think that they have found the earlier examples of this cross dated approx.
to 4th century AD. (Yes, do not use the modern flag of Georgia as it was not in use for 5-6 cc.)
see the links about ''Bolnuri cross'' (5 c. AD)

http://semioticsjournal.files.wordpr...a1e183981.jpeg
(this is original ''bolnuri cross'' from Bolnisi Temple with ancient Georgian inscription. Bolnisi, Georgia)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Monastery.jpg
(this is the same ''Bolnuri cross'' from the Jvari Monastery in Mts'kheta, Georgia)

There are some more examples but i think that is enough.

Good work anyway, keep doing your job guys wish you luck !!!!!!!!!

**Alkimachos** · July 21, 2011, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by JERUSALEM

The mod is really Great ! Cheers to all members who work for it

But I have some suggestions for you guys and hope you don not mind those advise.

1. First of all i think the banner of the Sassanid Empire has to be changed - the Old Eagle for
is more historically accurate.

2. the banner for the Kingdom of Kartli is taken from the Colchian tetri (lit. Colchian silver) which was actually
the banner used by Colchians (Kolhida or Colches) from BC. 6th to 3rd cc. later in the beginning of the 3rd century
Kingdom of Kartli annexed the Colchian Kingdom. but later in BC 107 Kingdom of Pontus conquered the Colchis
after the fall of Kingdom of Pontus the Roman rule was established and later in 2nd century AD the new
kingdom of Lazica was established under the protection of Roman Empire in order to protect the Roman borders from
North-East where the North Caucasian step people were lived. And this new kingdom of Lazica established in ca.100
maintains that they are the successors of mighty Kingdom of Colchis hence Kingdom of Lazica is successor of Colchis
and has all symbols inherited from Colchis and not Kingdom of Kartli/Iberia. consequently the symbol you have used for
the Kingdom of Kartli is better to use for the Kingdom of Lazica

3. as for the symbol of Kingdom of Kartli it is better to use the Christian symbols for example so-called ''Bolnuri cross''
which is kind of national symbol and the Georgian type of cross introduced in the 5th century on the temple of Bolnisi sion (474-494).
That is why scholars refer is as Bolnuri means from Bolnisi. Some even think that they have found the earlier examples of this cross dated approx.
to 4th century AD. (Yes, do not use the modern flag of Georgia as it was not in use for 5-6 cc.)
see the links about ''Bolnuri cross'' (5 c. AD)

http://semioticsjournal.files.wordpr...a1e183981.jpeg
(this is original ''bolnuri cross'' from Bolnisi Temple with ancient Georgian inscription. Bolnisi, Georgia)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Monastery.jpg
(this is the same ''Bolnuri cross'' from the Jvari Monastery in Mts'kheta, Georgia)

There are some more examples but i think that is enough.

Good work anyway, keep doing your job guys wish you luck !!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your advices mate! Our Historians will see that and if needed they will tell us if we must change the faction symbols...

Thanks again...

**Tadzreuli** · August 06, 2011, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by JERUSALEM

The mod is really Great ! Cheers to all members who work for it

But I have some suggestions for you guys and hope you do not mind those advise.

1. First of all i think the banner of the Sassanid Empire has to be changed - the Old Eagle for Sassanid Persia
is more historically accurate.

2. the banner for the Kingdom of Kartli is taken from the Colchian tetri (lit. Colchian silver coin) which was actually
the banner used by Colchians (Kolhida or Colches. Western Georgia. The Kartli is Eastern one) from BC. 6th to 3rd cc. later in the beginning of the 3rd century
Kingdom of Kartli annexed the Colchian Kingdom. but later in BC 107 Kingdom of Pontus conquered the Colchis.
After the fall of Kingdom of Pontus the Roman rule was established and later in 2nd century AD the new
kingdom of Lazica was established under the protection of Roman Empire in order to protect the Roman borders from
North-East where the North Caucasian step people lived. And this new Kingdom of Lazica established in ca.100
maintains that they are the successors of mighty Kingdom of Colchis hence Kingdom of Lazica is successor of Colchis
and has all symbols inherited from Colchis. And Kingdom of Kartli/Iberia has nothing to do with Colchian symbols. Consequently the symbol you have used for
the Kingdom of Kartli is better to use for the Kingdom of Lazica

3. As for the symbol of Kingdom of Kartli it is better to use the Christian symbols for example so-called ''Bolnuri cross''
which is kind of national symbol and the Georgian type of cross introduced in the 5th century on the temple of Bolnisi sion (474-494).
That is why scholars refer is as Bolnuri means from Bolnisi. Some even think that they have found the earlier examples of this cross dated approx.
to 4th century AD. (Yes, do not use the modern flag of Georgia as it was not in use for 5-6 cc.)
see the links about ''Bolnuri cross'' (5 c. AD)

http://semioticsjournal.files.wordpr...a1e183981.jpeg
(this is original ''bolnuri cross'' from Bolnisi Temple with ancient Georgian inscription. Bolnisi, Georgia)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Monastery.jpg
(this is the same ''Bolnuri cross'' from the Jvari Monastery in Mts'kheta, Georgia)

There are some more examples but i think that is enough.

Good work anyway, keep doing your job guys wish you luck !!!!!!!!!

I totally agree with ,,JERUSALEM,, !

**JERUSALEM** · July 21, 2011, 10:36 AM

Always ready to assist you!
Thank for your reply.

**juvenus** · July 22, 2011, 07:35 AM

a very well composed and original preview guys! i gave +rep to Deautchland but it's for everyone of u, really.
i'm especially pleased that u intend to implement 10 religions, that will add much diversity to the game and make it very accurate. everyone has huge expectations of this mod

**Deutschland** · July 22, 2011, 07:50 AM

Huge expectations ... that is good. But please remember we are aiming for a Beta, a 1.0. Its not that the perfect game falls out of heaven. But we will constantly work to make it better and better, like the TATW team does.

**juvenus** · July 26, 2011, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Deutschland

Huge expectations ... that is good. But please remember we are aiming for a Beta, a 1.0. Its not that the perfect game falls out of heaven. But we will constantly work to make it better and better, like the TATW team does.

sure, i perfectly understand. i was part of the now-dead IBUR and i know how much a beta release is important. everything's easier when u have something released.

**The excited one** · July 22, 2011, 08:11 AM

mmmm can i make greco-roman paganism as the official religion of the roman empire again just like the good old days........

**Deutschland** · July 22, 2011, 08:15 AM

Yes you can. However expect major rebellions if you do so since the majority of the empire's population was Christian at the time.

**The excited one** · July 22, 2011, 08:47 AM

mmm interesting i can try if it release and also will there be castles and cities? just asking

**Deutschland** · July 22, 2011, 09:12 AM

This is going a bit off-topic please ask in the general discussion thread. Thank you

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**killervomit2** · July 25, 2011, 02:10 PM

+ rep for including judaism, its hard to believe they never had it vanilla

**Deutschland** · July 28, 2011, 02:34 AM

What position did you have in the former IBUR team and what are your skills if I may ask?

**juvenus** · July 28, 2011, 11:41 AM

i hanged around there as a beta-tester (sadly, it never got that far

) and historian.
regarding skills important for modding, i can work on the models since i'm familiar with 3d Maya (the software similar to 3ds max). i'm at my final year on the faculty and have several projects ongoing in order to get my Bachelor of Science degree and later to qualify for the MS studies. that's why i don't wanna apply anywhere as a modder since i currently don't have time to contribute that much

but who knows in the future...

**Deutschland** · July 28, 2011, 12:00 PM

Ah ok.. But look into your PM

**Deutschland** · August 06, 2011, 10:44 AM

It has been considered and changed. Thank you! Its awesome to have such a supportive and versed fan base! +rep to jerusalem

**Deutschland** · August 09, 2011, 08:22 AM

A first short introduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samo

Note: I havent checked this source for validity so in case you have questions please ask.

**Boriak** · August 10, 2011, 03:17 AM

Oh, so it is our dude (I'm from Slovenia)! Never thought I would see him ingame. Good job!

**SimonGermanicus** · August 24, 2011, 04:14 AM

Awesome!

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