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    March 27 2006 TIME Magazine

    The Politics of Fat

    Experts say our expanding girth is killing us and costing the health-care system billions. But is this a problem government can solve? Or should? The debate grows as we do.

    These are fat times in politics. Literally. Nearly 400 obesity-related bills were introduced in state legislatures across the country last year--more than double the number in 2003. A quarter of them were passed into law, up from only 12% two years before. In Washington the word obesity appears in 56 bills introduced during the current Congress; this, the Wall Street Journal points out, is fast catching up with the number containing the word gun. Surgeon General Richard Carmona says obesity is a greater threat than terrorism. Some public-health advocates have begun urging the government to put a warning label on soft drinks; others are calling for a "fat tax" on fast food.

    When voters and the possibility of big public spending are involved, you can be sure the politicians will discover a problem. The stats are depressingly familiar: more than 60% of us are overweight, and the percentage of us who are considered obese has nearly doubled since 1980. Health-care spending attributable to obesity reached $75 billion in 2003, by some estimates, with taxpayers shelling out more than half of that through Medicare and Medicaid programs. Last month Medicare increased its financial obligation to the problem by announcing it would cover bariatric surgery, a procedure aimed at weight loss that generally costs $25,000 for a simple case. Government researchers estimate that obesity is associated with anywhere from 100,000 to 300,000 deaths a year.

    Most alarming of all, the rates of obesity among children and teens have tripled in the past 25 years. Health-care providers say they are seeing something of an epidemic of potentially lethal Type 2 diabetes, once known as the adult-onset version of the disease, among children as young as 10 and 11. "Without some intervention, this is the first generation of young Americans, being born today, who are expected to have a shorter life span than their parents or grandparents," says Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, a Republican, who wrote a book about his 110-lb. weight loss and made a healthy America his top priority as chairman of the National Governors Association. That prediction of diminishing life expectancy was published last year in the New England Journal of Medicine by a group of university researchers; other experts have disputed it as overly dire.

    Huckabee, who is a possible 2008 presidential contender, has given state employees in Arkansas exercise breaks instead of smoking breaks. The state's public school children are screened for their body mass index, an indirect measure of body fat, and confidential reports are mailed to their parents. Huckabee wants to experiment with a system in which food stamps would be worth more if they were spent on healthy purchases like fruits and vegetables.

    Nearly every state has taken some steps on obesity, mostly centered on children. In the past year, Arizona set nutritional standards for all food and beverages sold on school grounds. California banned the sale of junk food as snacks in schools starting next year. Kentucky requires students to engage in vigorous physical activity for 30 minutes a day or 150 minutes a week and next year will prohibit its schools from serving that staple of Southern cuisine, deep-fried foods. Maryland plans to put timing devices on school vending machines to limit access during school hours. Many states plan to make nutrition instruction part of their curriculums.

    There are certain to be more new rules. For the Governors' winter meeting in Washington a few weeks ago, Huckabee, who opened the conference by leading some of his fellow Governors and their staffs on a 5K run, invited a former fat kid who is also a quadruple-bypass patient to speak. Bill Clinton related to the problem of weight in typical feel-your-pain fashion. The two Arkansas pols, longtime adversaries, have joined together to work toward halting the rise in childhood obesity by 2010 and reversing it by 2015. "Look at Huckabee," Clinton told the Governors. "You've got to consume less and burn more. There is no other alternative. And to do that, you've got to change the culture."

    But how? Embarrass Americans into saying no to that second helping of cheesecake? Taxing calories? Hauling the corporate chiefs of Frito-Lay and Coca-Cola before a congressional committee, as happened in 1994 with the heads of seven tobacco companies, and suing them? There have been many instances in which government has either rallied a majority to rescue a group of suffering Americans, as in the War on Poverty, or tried to push Americans out of unhealthy and expensive bad habits, including smoking, littering, drunk driving and failing to wear seat belts. All involved some combination of education, cultural change, legal penalties and old-fashioned shame.

    But obesity does not evoke deprivation, and it's more complicated than a bad habit: it involves food. The old messages won't work, says veteran Democratic operative Michael Berman, whose new memoir, Living Large, chronicles his struggles to come to terms with being fat. "This is different from second-hand smoke, where you can have a program of abstinence. You can give up smoking. You can't give up eating."

    Berman warns that even the best anti-obesity programs won't produce the gratification that politicians like best: quick results. That's because our growing waistlines are a product of so much else that is happening in the U.S. Researchers say it's not a coincidence that the obesity epidemic has coincided with a growth in the number of working parents who have less time to prepare meals from fresh foods; technologies that make it possible to mass-produce packaged and fast foods in cheap, enormous portions; financially strapped schools getting rid of their physical-education programs and playgrounds even as they allow vending machines and food advertising in their buildings; and computer and television programs that ensnare kids who might otherwise be playing outside.

    Even larger economic forces may play a role. "It seems to be inextricably bound up to ... stagnant wages in the global economy," Clinton told the Governors. "The price of everything has gone up except food. Food is still a good deal in America." Rates of childhood obesity are worst among the poor and are a particular challenge in immigrant communities--in part because there's no cheaper dose of assimilation than a trip to Burger King. The New York Times Magazine reported that a couple of years ago, after administrators trimmed fat and sugar from menus at schools in Rio Grande City, Texas, along the Mexican border, students staged lunchroom protests, hanging signs that read NO MORE DIET and WE WANT TO EAT COOL STUFF--PIZZA, NACHOS, BURRITOS.

    Where government fits into finding a solution is a matter of no small dispute. After all, it's not like Americans don't have an inkling why they are getting fat. "People who are overweight know it," says Huckabee. "The denial is different from a lot of denials. We don't deny that it's there. We deny that it affects us."

    That's why there are plenty who argue that the blame--and the answer--must lie squarely with fat people themselves. When Iowa Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat, attacked junk food in schools two years ago, then Democratic Senator Zell Miller, whose home state of Georgia is the location of Coca-Cola headquarters, scoffed, "Our kids are not obese because of what they are eating in our lunchrooms at school. They are obese, frankly, because they sit around on their duffs watching MTV and playing video games, and to do something about that requires the role of the parents, not the role of the Federal Government." His Georgia colleague, Republican Saxby Chambliss, was equally dismissive of Harkin's plan to set federal nutrition guidelines for schools: "We would be a lot better off to spend that $6 million to educate children about what they ought to eat, both in school and out of school, and if we think that by cutting them off at school they are not going to go to the 7-Eleven as soon as school is out and pick up these items, then we are kidding ourselves." There was a none-too-subtle message in the title of Republican-sponsored legislation aimed at protecting the food industry from obesity-related lawsuits: the Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act of 2005. Nicknamed the Cheeseburger Bill, it passed last October, with yeas outnumbering nays 2 to 1.

    Mindful of anything that may look like the heavy hand of a nanny state at work, George W. Bush's Administration has focused its anti-obesity efforts primarily on public education. Former Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson wore a pedometer to tout his department's Small Step initiative. But pressure for bigger strides is building. Says Harkin: "This is not just a personal problem. It's a public-health problem." He wants the Agriculture Department to regulate all food--not just meals--being served in schools. The rules now are set at the state and local levels, with widely varying standards, although the torrent of state legislation suggests that everyone is looking to go healthier. Harkin and others want to give the Federal Trade Commission more say over the $10 billion a year that the food industry spends advertising to children. Some in Congress are pushing to require nutritional labeling on restaurant menus, as was done for packaged foods. There are restaurants that print the information voluntarily, but the restaurant lobby opposes requiring it.

    Meanwhile, food companies are trying to get out in front of the issue. McDonald's did away with supersizing. Coca-Cola no longer advertises on television programs aimed at viewers younger than age 12. In its ads on children's television, Kraft pitches white-meat chicken Lunchables rather than Oreos. Food packaging, from mac-and-cheese to soup and pancake mix, offers tips for more healthful preparation.

    Big Food is eager not to repeat the mistakes of Big Tobacco, and it knows that self-regulation is one way to keep the government from stepping in. What worries the food industry most are the lawsuits that have begun to move through the courts, often going where politicians fear to tread. One key question is whether public-health advocates will succeed in sticking the food industry with one of the charges that damned the tobacco business: that its executives knowingly harmed the health of the public--especially children--with their marketing tactics. Of course, Big Tobacco had the additional problem that its products are clearly addictive.

    Plaintiffs against food companies have had some initial setbacks--in courts of law and in the court of public opinion. People snickered when two New York teenagers--one whose regular diet consisted of two Big Mac or Chicken McNugget meals a day and another who usually ate a Happy Meal or a Big Mac three or four times a week--sued McDonald's, claiming it had made them morbidly fat. A federal judge tossed out their case in 2003. But last year an appeals court revived it and allowed discovery, an unsettling development for food companies because it could open up their marketing strategies to public scrutiny. Around the country, state attorneys general, encouraged by their success in wringing billions from the tobacco companies, have the food industry in their sights, says Rogan Kersh, a Syracuse University political-science professor who argues that the political forces arrayed against the two industries show striking similarities.

    The food fight seems certain to get bitter, whether it is ultimately fought in the courts or the legislatures or on the floors of Congress. But there is one thing on which all sides can agree: nothing will work until Americans are persuaded to change the choices they are making for themselves and their children. While some will say the government shouldn't have to pick up the tab for what people are doing to themselves, Huckabee insists that everyone should recognize that it already is. "It's not just about coddling people," he says. "It's truly about making good business decisions. The return on investment is significant when you put the focus on health and wellness as opposed to putting the focus on treating disease."




    I know it's a long read, but it's very revealing (and interesting.)

    What are your thoughts on the matter? Is this something the government should step in and regulate? Is there really any way to combat obesity with law?

    What are your thoughts on the matter in general?
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    i think people are getting fat because of lack of moving/walking and videogames
    kids are getting used to spend their freetime without moving..and when they are older they are used to not moving.
    sport/physical playing is what kept youth skinny..and many kept on with doing sports when growing up

    kids in germany are getting fat now too..at least the tendency is there.

    you can blame fast food too but that is only one reason..i cant really see what politicians can do about that.
    there are always campaigns that try to get the youth to doing sport but it doesnt seem to work.

    it is the parents that have to get their kids to do and enjoy sports. how? by beeing an example works best. if your daddy playsb-ball for example, your son wants to get good in that too

    edit: diet pills and "make slim operations" should be forbidden. yes thats right forbidden

    and dont come with the freedom of throw up thing
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    I think there si stuff we can do, and the government should step in.

    When people are dying early while costing us billions upon billions of dollars each year just so they can be unhealthy, it's a problem. It's like a legal addiction. Look at the students who boycotted the cafeteria - that's just ridiculous. They are forced to eat one of three meals healthy and they go nuts. You can't walk for five minutes in a city without seeing at least one fast food place, and it's just as bad on the highway.

    Worse, (in my opinion) we spread things like McDonalds to other countries and they become addicted to fast food. Sure it's quick and heps you keep moving, but it really doens't kill you to take twenty minutes (or even ten) to sit down and eat a nice meal that isn't one giant health bomb.

    The biggest problem is the obesity rate among children. It's really sad to see a few small kids, maybe 7 or 8, waddling down the street weighing 150 pounds.

    It's not so hard to get the schools to serve healthier stuff. Sure you may not like the lac of pizza in school, but hey it's only one out of three meals. I'm sure we can survive. Exercise (or the lack of it) is something we can take control of.

    The government should take control of it - food is like a cheap drug, one that is not viewed as harmful and is far easier to get a hold of. 60% of adults are overweight! It's really a bad situation that's just getting worse. There has to be some kind of change.

    The irony is that while the internet and technology may set us free, they also enslave us. We are liberated in research and the quest for knowledge but the gadgets suck up our time and life. TWCrack, anyone? Some people spend 7 hours or more on here. Fine, but while people on here might be able to also get out and exercise, many just veg on the couch for hours. (Kinda funny because there was an article in the same issue about that. PM me if you want it.)
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    i believe that the majority of the blame does rest with the individual. the choices that they make about their food, exercise, etc.

    however i believe that the food industry and the farmers/ranchers that produce the food should also take part of the blame.

    when our parents went to school, most farms and ranches were owned by families and small time farmers. since then the farming industry has been taken over by government agencies and large corporations. it is naive to think that these companies always practice ethical business. i honestly believe that hormones and other steroids are being introduced into our food sources in an attempt to maximize output and make higher profits. imo this is affecting the growth and development of the current generations and will continue to do so for years to come. honestly... do u think that there were 6th grade girls running around with c and d cups in the first half of the 1900's. NO! now everywhere u look there are preteen "children" looking like they are adults. i believe that this is also affecting the weight of people these days. there were far less obese people years ago as well.
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    People are fat because they are lazy. They know the risks but they can't be arsed to make decent food, instead prefering fast food. They could take up running, but instead they prefer consoles. It's called ironic justice.
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    talking about school food which is a government domain i guess, there they should bann fast food and unhealthy food, i agree

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    But how are we going to control something like this? I mean it's legal... and you can't stop eating in general, so how would we end it?

    It looks like a problem we can't control, but there has to be some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al'Thor
    But how are we going to control something like this? I mean it's legal... and you can't stop eating in general, so how would we end it?
    We wait and let it cure itself? Natural selection ought to kick in soon enough, just stop giving medical help to morbidly obese people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tostig
    We wait and let it cure itself? Natural selection ought to kick in soon enough, just stop giving medical help to morbidly obese people.

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    Except that if the economy continues to stagnate and the people still take decades to die, all that will happen is an increase in the drain of money from the healthcare system. There is no guarantee that obesity will vanish by itself, and if we assume it will, we won't ever fix the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tostig
    We wait and let it cure itself? Natural selection ought to kick in soon enough, just stop giving medical help to morbidly obese people.

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    Humans have removed natural selection, and thus evolution, from our lives. There is no selection pressure, at least in most of the world, to have evolution take place. (so maybe fat people exist by the will of god?)
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    Stupid Liberals make people fat.

    They should make obesity illegal unless you are genetically proven to be from a fat family :original:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al'Thor
    But how are we going to control something like this? I mean it's legal... and you can't stop eating in general, so how would we end it?

    It looks like a problem we can't control, but there has to be some way.
    well while children are in school the school is responsible for them. healthy food is responsibility. unhelthy food is irresponsible. that should be enough for a law/rule that enforces schools to sell/make healthy food.

    the problems with the costs for the healthsystem are not really to solve directly. just by education it can be influenced a bit.

    natural selection/evolution doesnt happen anymore..we have the technical possibility to remove genetical disadvantages...ppl who just eat wrong wont die out anyways..they will have children who get fact coz they copy their parents..but they will never stopp reproducing

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    what we need to do is train specialised bullies to target fat childeren!

    just kidding. I think it's really the parents problem. the school is responsible for 5 out of 21 meals a week although they should stride to provide healthy food they cannot be blamed for obseity. it would however be an excellent platform from which they could force children to try healthy foods. Thats right force them! I wasd a brat with food until my parents forced me to eat different things but know I'll eat anything provided it's killed before consumption.

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    Parent's problem. If people want their kids to stop eating so much junk food, don't give them money to put in their lunch account, make them lunches or at least give them those packaged lunches (without the ones that come with pop, of course.)

    It might just be hard for the parents since they're busy and want their children to eat lunch at school (and maybe breakfast, too). But I've met friend's parents who are really busy, but can still make some kind of healthy lunch.

    We also need to know that obesity can run in the family also. There's kids who were born to be, well, fat. But they could always work it off. You just need determination. For example, I had a friend who weighed 180's (or somewhere around the 200 marker.). He ate a lot, would order pizza, and eat almost all the leftovers from last night in a single day.

    But he hated being fat. So he decided to start exercising to become thin. Since he was quite rich, his parents bought him a card for the YMCA and a small gym at home (That running thing, and weights going up to 150.). He did this the whole summer, and when he returned to school after summer break was over, it was really hard to recognize him. He lost over 60 pounds.

    So, fat people can lose the weight, just that they need to put their mind to it and work a lot.
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    I think this problem, as has been mentioned before, is a product of some obvious things. First and foremost, it's not the FOOD that is making us fat. Well, biologically it is, but hear me out. What is making obesity such a growing issue is that people either have no time or are too lazy to exercise on a regular basis. TV, video games, work, all of these things make our lives so filled up that people either have no time to exercise, or can't be bothered.

    In addition, whereas in past generations much of the work people did was physical, now it has become much more passive. Sitting in an office all day is much less strenuous on the body than working all day in a factory or on the farm.

    I have no possible solutions for this problem, other than I think people honestly need to exercise more, but the causes of it seem pretty obvious to me, and if we think it's the food we're eating, we're deulsional. It's the lifestyle, not the food (although granted, some food is MUCH worse than others).


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    I think that the fact that food is so readily available everywhere, that people are not able to not eat it shows that human civilization in the west has reached a high point.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat
    I think that the fact that food is so readily available everywhere, that people are not able to not eat it shows that human civilization in the west has reached a high point.
    No I think it can go higher , I remember reading somewhere that there is a new tablet thing being developped so ppl can eat more or something like that.
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    You want to solve the problem? Make people who purposefully endanger their health (the obese) ineligible for public medical funds.
    A) No more money will be lost to fund people's GROSS irresponsibility.
    B) There is no greater motivator than death.
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    well that can go both ways as some fat ppl are sometimes genetics and rly fat ppl probably need facilities to be funded to go to so they can get counseling or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gogoas
    well that can go both ways as some fat ppl are sometimes genetics
    If its genetics than you have to be more responsible than the average person. Besides, genetic inclination to obesity doesn't make you obese. I bet their are thousands of poor Africans who are genetically disposed to be obese, but are they fat? NO! They're starving to death

    and rly fat ppl probably need facilities to be funded to go to so they can get counseling or something.
    So a person gets incredibly fat by their own volition and now it is society's problem?
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