Business Racism

[NotYetRegistered]

I've been wondering about this thing for a while;

Okay, let's say you're a business owner that sells curtains to people. You're looking for a new salesman;

You have two choices; a black man who has a long, succesful career behind him as salesman and a white guy that has been considerably less succesful.

Problem is, though, that a rather big part of your customers is racist towards black people. If you hire the more competent guy you would lose part of your profits, but if you don't hire him because of the beliefs of your customers you would be racist. What would you do?

[Himster]

Move your business to a place where the 21st century has happened already.

[Idwayreth]

Move your business to a place where the 21st century has happened already.

lmao!

[Copperknickers II]

It depends. I'm sure most Western countries have laws against employment discrimination so morals don't come into it, but if that was not a consideration, it really depends on which you think would make more money.

[molonthegreat]

It depends. I'm sure most Western countries have laws against employment discrimination so morals don't come into it, but if that was not a consideration, it really depends on which you think would make more money.

Businesses can really choose who they want even though it's discrimination and illegal since how is the government going to check who is better for the job that has been advertised? The man in charge can just say that the white guy gave a better impression during the employment interview.

As for me I would choose the one that my customers would prefer to make a bigger profit and if they all were retarded racist bigots it wouldn't be very wise to choose the black guy, so the white less competent man it is.

[Copperknickers II]

Businesses can really choose who they want even though it's discrimination and illegal since how is the government going to check who is better for the job that has been advertised? The man in charge can just say that the white guy gave a better impression during the employment interview.

I know, but this is not a business forum. Obviously the choice which does not involve breaking the law is the most moral and ethical. If the OP wanted to discuss business then he wouldn't have posted it in a morals forum section.

[Col. Tartleton]

Hire whoever you feel will do better. It's your business, your judgement. I'd probably go black dude because he's more qualified and that should outweigh anything. But I'd level with him about the situation.

[Claudius Gothicus]

You should hire whoever is better for the job, regardless of race. Let's say that you hire the Black guy, then it's also your duty(and concern since it directly affects you) as a succesful salesman to go in to the local politics arena and lobby for battling racism in the educational system it's a win-win situation only it takes a lot of work.

[panzer 4]

really? rascist consumers? its not like you opening up next to the KKK place of worship...

[Gromovnik]

Choose the guy who brings you bigger profit.

[Mortality]

The black man. He is more sucsessful. You might loose some customers, but you will gain more in the long run.

[IronBrig4]

Your customers might stop coming anyway if they get crappy service from the white guy. I'd go with the more qualified black man. It's probably a moot point because this isn't 1950s Alabama.

[Mr. Scott]

This scenario would only really occur in the deep deep deep south like the worst parts of Alabama.

Also, hen you're a business owner you have to look at what will bring in more benefit.
Although unfortunate, the black man in that situation, appears as though he would not bring as much worth as the white man.

However, from a moral standpoint I would personally hire the black man.

So if I were to be that owner. Just out of my morality I would hire the black man, even though I know he would bring in less. I'd rather have the competent worker have a job then the lazy white bum.

[Col. Tartleton]

This scenario would only really occur in the deep deep deep south like the worst parts of Alabama.

Also, hen you're a business owner you have to look at what will bring in more benefit.
Although unfortunate, the black man in that situation, appears as though he would not bring as much worth as the white man.

However, from a moral standpoint I would personally hire the black man.

So if I were to be that owner. Just out of my morality I would hire the black man, even though I know he would bring in less. I'd rather have the competent worker have a job then the lazy white bum.

The deep deep deep south is all black people unless you mean like a bayou.

I say do what Ayn Rand would do: Seduce an engaged man half her age and then blame the poor for the problems of the rich...

Or you could consider hiring the white guy on the grounds that he needs the job more. That qualified black guy could get hired anywhere, who wouldn't hire him. On the other hands that young white unqualified guy probably needs the job more. Civil action for the victims of reverse discrimination.

[Justice and Mercy]

Totally up to the business owner's personal values.

There are a number of variables here that might influence the decision. Is this the ONLY way that he can continue his business, and if so how important is this industry to him? Would he be able to happily work in an industry where he didnt have to make terms with this kind of foolishness? Would the customers really be unwilling to deal with the black man, even if racist?

On and on.

Personally, I would never be able to hire the less competent person.

[Taiji]

Personally, I would never be able to hire the less competent person.

But then:

If the reality is that alot of your customers are racists, you act accordingly.

Are you applying a standard to me that you don't apply to yourself?

[Justice and Mercy]

But then:



Are you applying a standard to me that you don't apply to yourself?

No. I'm saying that you act accordingly depending on your personal values, but you act accordingly regardless.

Nothing else is proper. See: Accordingly. You can't simply ignore the reality that your customers are racists. You simply answer the questions I asked in my first post first.

[Taiji]

You say this:

Personally, I would never be able to hire the less competent person.

Then I say this, which coincidentally aligns with what you said above:

I'd hire the black man and simply stop being so prejudiced and stereotyping towards my customers.

And I'd make sure my shop was very neat and tidy...

But then you say this (And yes, of course I know a moderator removed the insults you aimed at me.):

You have to deal with the reality in front of you. If the reality is that alot of your customers are racists, you act accordingly.

To which I say this:

Are you applying a standard to me that you don't apply to yourself?

And then in response to this you say this:

No. I'm saying that you act accordingly depending on your personal values, but you act accordingly regardless.

Nothing else is proper. See: Accordingly. You can't simply ignore the reality that your customers are racists. You simply answer the questions I asked in my first post first.

So it looks like you held your opinion until you heard mine, and then you took a contrary position. And when I pointed out that you had in fact contradicted yourself, you've then gone back to agreeing with me.

But in the end we'd both stake avoiding racist descrimination (which is actually racist towards the black guy and the chinese (or whichever) customers) against a simple marketing perspective. Or am I still missing something here?

[Justice and Mercy]

Doesn't that all seem very strange to you?

No.

The part which concerned me was the bit about not being "prejudiced" towards your own customers.

If they're racists, they're racists.

Act accordingly. Don't ignore that fact.

[medievaldude]

It will depend on their personality and how they handle their job, how they talk, and what kind of salesman you want. race has nothing to do whit it.