Russia Makes Moves to Restrict Abortion

[Prodigal]

MOSCOW — President Dmitri A. Medvedev has signed into law the first steps intended to restrict abortion since the collapse of communism, the latest salvo in what is beginning to resemble the fierce divide over abortion in the United States.

The changes require abortion providers to devote 10 percent of any advertising to describing the dangers of abortion to a woman’s health, and they make it illegal to describe abortion as a safe medical procedure.

Tighter restrictions on abortion may follow after Parliament considers a separate health bill in the autumn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/wo...ia15.html?_r=3

Glory be to God for all things, I pray that in the end it is outlawed! Religion aside, abortion is murder, and is a classic example of society's selfishness and "see no evil" attitude.

[Akaie]

While I can certainly relate to, from a humanist perspective, wanting to take action against what is essentially, as you say, murder, I'm more concerned as to why these people feel the need to abort. One reasoning that is quite accented amongst many potential reasons is the financial uncertainty. From what I remember of Australian law, the government only pays for part of the costs for raising a child (I believe it also deals with the mother's inability to work). Does any government that currently upholds or intends to uphold anti-abortionist law also ensure or intends to ensure complete financial support (or support that removes the financial uncertainty of the mother and/or relevant people) for that mother?

To move to a more aggressive attitude, the Catholic church outlaws this, yet, even though it's financial stakes are speculated to be measured in the trillions (US, AUS $), it does not offer a huge amount of money dedicated to the financial support of pregnant mothers (whether or not they are Catholic). I suppose they're more about religious propagation and all that.

[Treize]

Maybe they should restrict religion.

[s.rwitt]

Yeah, **** human rights.

[Border Patrol]

The move would certainly help with Russia's little population problem... although you would think they would just ban contraception in general.
Breed for your Motherland, comrades!

[Rome101]

If abortion is murder, then so is :wub:. Even more so, because abortion kills just one creature which has the potential to become a baby - :wub: kills millions of these.
I think you have to be born before you can actually die, and I support abortions - why force a kid to grow up in a family if they can't supply him with the basic needs?

People who abort are often poor people who can't financially support a baby (which is expensive as hell).
Edit: Oh, I see Anton said it all. +rep for saving me the trouble.

[priam11]

If abortion is murder, then so is :wub:.

I don't even know what to say to that.

I sure many of us at TWC would be considered serial killers.

[Roboute Guilliman]

If abortion is murder, then so is :wub:. Even more so, because abortion kills just one creature which has the potential to become a baby - :wub: kills millions of these.

[boofhead]

If abortion is murder, then so is :wub:. Even more so, because abortion kills just one creature which has the potential to become a baby - :wub: kills millions of these.

Rubbish. Failed analogy.

A foetus if left unmolested will become a human child.

Sperm will become nothing but a stinky stain on your bedsheets, just as a woman's egg will become a blood smear on a tampon.

[bubbathegump]

I dont get how it's your "human right" to kill your child.

[Mangalore]

I dont get how it's your "human right" to kill your child.

The dilemma of human life is that at some point it comes into being as a seggregation of human cells of the mother (aka one human cell of the mother) dependant on the organism of the mother it depends on for development so you have two human lives intertwined and one severly hampered by the development of the second.
This is a severe strain on the human rights of two individuals if either is not happy about the situation. Abortion law is the difficult balance of when whose basic human rights take precedence and the most common abortion laws give preference to the rights of the mother the first trimester and preference to the unborn child the rest of the pregnancy.

In an ideal world contraception and its usage would be foolproof, until then we need an arrangement which is capable to balance these two factors.

My problem with most antiabortionists is that they usually have no problem with shooting or dropping bombs on other people which makes their morale outrage suspect. I consider the sanctity of life a simple legal construct meant to lay the foundation for a social code preventing people from beating each other to death because if society is for killing someone we conveniently create another arbritary construct why it is okay to ignore the absolute rule of "Thou shall not kil" and do it anyway under the very specific circumstances it suites us.

The other is that anti abortion usually puts all the blame and responsibility on the mother and make her life miserable even though it takes two to tango.

Life is just as relative as the rest of the universe. Thus terms like "innocence" and "sanctity" are pretty naive simplifications of complex concepts within even more complex social systems of a rather neurotic mammal species.

[Prosaic Visitant]

I wonder, if this is successful in helping Russia's dismal demographics even a little, what would the impact on Japanese, S. Korean and European governments stances on abortion?

Probably nothing, but still.

[SLN445]

I can see this is going to get messy fast.

[LordKainES]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/wo...ia15.html?_r=3

Glory be to God for all things, I pray that in the end it is outlawed! Religion aside, abortion is murder, and is a classic example of society's selfishness and "see no evil" attitude.

Completely agree with you dude!

Abortion is crime! no one has the right to deny life to anybody...

Well done for Russia!

[Mythos]

Abortion is crime! no one has the right to deny life to anybody...

By this reasoning, everyone should be forced to procreate. Who am I to deny the right of life to my unborn, unconceived child(ren)? Right?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

By this reasoning, everyone should be forced to procreate. Who am I to deny the right of life to my unborn, unconceived child(ren)? Right?

No. Don't make ridiculous straw men. He said "anybody", which clearly refers to human beings. Human life obviously begins at conception. Zygotes aren't human, they don't have a right to life. If you want to argue against him, could you please make sensible arguments rather than posting nonsense like this?

If, like me, you disagree that humans by default have a responsibility to life, then say so. Flawed straw-men like that make us all dumber, please don't use them.

[Salvatorel]

Well,I'd not think in the same way,Russia has a serious demographic crisis,that(you guess it) means shortage of workforce with perspectives of it lasting for the entire first part of XXI century;so implementation of the measures,restricting abortion aren't exactly surprising to me.

As for the religion,in my opinion, it has nothing to do with this,except being used as an excuse,simply for appeasement of the religious voters.

[Admiral Piett]

Nothing is a legal life until birth. So that's why the unborn don't get the same rights. It should remain this way cause some people really should not be mothers nor go through with pregnancy. I'm generally opposed to late term abortions though cause you shoulda had the responsibility to terminate it much earlier and by then it can probably feel whats going on.

[Beregond]

Nothing is a legal life until birth. So that's why the unborn don't get the same rights. It should remain this way cause some people really should not be mothers nor go through with pregnancy. I'm generally opposed to late term abortions though cause you shoulda had the responsibility to terminate it much earlier and by then it can probably feel whats going on.

what about morale? and the fact that law stems from morale?

[Adhamh Ashashi]

Nothing is a legal life until birth. So that's why the unborn don't get the same rights. It should remain this way cause some people really should not be mothers nor go through with pregnancy. I'm generally opposed to late term abortions though cause you shoulda had the responsibility to terminate it much earlier and by then it can probably feel whats going on.

Depends on where you are. In france it can be considered involuntary manslaughter if you abort a child without consent of the parent.

And in Ireland a child becomes a legal life after implantation, not fertilisation. Legal life is different in nearly every jurisdiction.