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    The recent killing of an unarmed Virginia doctor has raised concerns about what some say is an explosion in the use of military-style police Swat teams in the United States.

    Armed with assault rifles, stun grenades - even armoured personnel carriers - units once used only in highly volatile situations are increasingly being deployed on more routine police missions.
    Dr Salvatore Culosi Jr had come out of his townhouse to meet an undercover policeman when he was shot through the chest by a Special Weapons and Tactics force.
    It was about 2135 on a chilly January evening. The 37-year-old optometrist was unarmed, he had no history of violence and displayed no threatening behaviour.
    I found this quite interesing.
    Apparenlty in the 1980s there were about 3,000 Swat team deployments annually across the US
    but now there are at least 40,000 per year.
    Mr Kraska, an expert on police militarisation from Eastern Kentucky University

    there has been an explosion of units in smaller towns and cities, where training and operational standards may not be as high as large cities - a growth he attributes to "the hysteria" of the country's war on drugs.

    "I get several calls a month from people asking about local incidents - wrong address raids, excessive use of force, wrongful shootings - this stuff is happening all the time," he adds.
    He also said in his statement that
    The problem is that when you talk about the war on this and the war on that,
    And police officers see themselves as soldiers, then the civilian becomes the enemy.
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    exactly. when the police are militarized, we become the enemy. the military is set up to kill people and break things, they fight an enemy.

    meanwhile with all of this going on, the police say that they don't have to protect us, they're not obligated to protect us, then the government federal state and local are doing everything they can to disarm the american people.

    aren't we concerned when our local police stations have black armored vehicles, helicopters, high powered assault rifles, they prance around in black uniforms and ski masks, meanwhile the government is trying to take our guns? welcome to slavery folks! afterall, we can't have the serfs armed can we?

    witness in horror the degradation and enslavement of american society and the final blow to our constitutional republic!

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    Dr Salvatore Culosi Jr had come out of his townhouse to meet an undercover policeman when he was shot through the chest by a Special Weapons and Tactics force. The 37-year-old optometrist was unarmed, he had no history of violence and displayed no threatening behaviour.
    Maybe they do this kind of thing so that we can consider ourselves lucky when we get away with only being tazered, maced, cs-gassed and beaten to bloodied pulps. It certainly puts things in perspective.
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    its all the medias fault..if they would not report this...

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    Luckily we havent got anywhere near this point in the UK. Most British police are actually interested in upholding the law thru peaceful means.

    On the other hand, i did see a Met police SWAT van the other day. Since when did the Met police have a SWAT section?? I thought that was SO19?
    The van was a normal police "meatwagon", with S.W.A.T. written on the side.. any other Brits seen this before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhah
    Luckily we havent got anywhere near this point in the UK. Most British police are actually interested in upholding the law thru peaceful means.

    On the other hand, i did see a Met police SWAT van the other day. Since when did the Met police have a SWAT section?? I thought that was SO19?
    The van was a normal police "meatwagon", with S.W.A.T. written on the side.. any other Brits seen this before?
    The Met have a SWAT section?!?

    I had no idea.
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    I've never heard of the Met having a SWAT team. I've seen the Tactical Aid Unit and I seem to remember hearing the SO19 is now CO19, but I've never heard of a SWAT team.

    You sure it wasn't a civilian veichle? There's a bloke round my way drives around in a Greman police car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Alcotroll
    I've never heard of the Met having a SWAT team. I've seen the Tactical Aid Unit and I seem to remember hearing the SO19 is now CO19, but I've never heard of a SWAT team.

    You sure it wasn't a civilian veichle? There's a bloke round my way drives around in a Greman police car.

    I'm pretty sure it was a Met vehicle, as it had the full light set on top and proper paintjob. I was in the car with my girlfriend when i saw it, and when i pointed it out she said that she'd seen it before. And it definitly had SWAT painted on ths side.
    AFAIK, its very illegal to drive an unauthorised vehicle painted in Police colours, especially with the lights.I know a guy who used to live in an old decommisioned 80's style Police van, and he got in a lot of trouble for repainting POLICE on the side (and it wasnt even very well painted!)
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    "Concern over US police tactics.."

    To quote the great Bill Hicks..:
    "Well is anyone here, like me, in that layer-compelled, obsessed, and drawn beyond their will, to watch the show 'Cops' every ****ing night??"

    Those who are afraid die a thousand deaths, the brave but one..

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    I've only ever seen armed policemen at airports and in Brighton when the labour conference was on (They had concrete barriers and were searching every car. Still, I'm glad they caught that evil terrorist pensioner.)

    Most British police are actually interested in upholding the law thru peaceful means.
    Except when it's special branch
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    Good to see another Bill Hicks fan!

    Regarding that SWAT van i think i saw.... did a little research, and i couldnt find anything online, so im starting to think me and the girlfriend had some sort of shared hallucination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhah
    Good to see another Bill Hicks fan!

    Regarding that SWAT van i think i saw.... did a little research, and i couldnt find anything online, so im starting to think me and the girlfriend had some sort of shared hallucination.
    **** Cops, Bring in the SWAT teams!


    Well on the subject.. The US is probably facing a very paranoic population.. So no wonder they use harsh methods!

    Those who are afraid die a thousand deaths, the brave but one..

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