Gaddafi is in talk with France?

**hellheaven1987** · July 11, 2011, 05:18 PM

Muammar Gaddafi's regime is in talks with the French government, one of the Libyan leader's sons said in an interview published on Monday.

"The truth is that we are negotiating with France and not with the rebels," the Algerian El Khabar newspaper quoted Saif al-Islam as saying from Tripoli, the Libyan capital.

A spokesman for the French foreign ministry denied the government was in direct talks with Gaddafi but said "we pass [the Libyan regime] messages in liaison" with the rebels and other allied countries.

"These messages are simple and without ambiguity: Any political solution must begin with Gaddafi's withdrawal from power and abandonment of any political role," said spokesman Bernard Valero.

The opposition National Transitional Council (NTC) said it would not negotiate with Gaddafi until he stepped down from power. A spokesman said the Council believed Saif al-Islam was bluffing in order to harm relationships between the NTC and France.

But the French defence minister said on Monday that it was time for the rebel Council to come to the negotiating table with Gaddafi's administration.

"Our envoy to [Nicolas] Sarkozy said that the French president was very clear and told him 'We created the [rebel] council, and without our support, and money, and our weapons, the council would have never existed'," the newspaper quoted Saif al-Islam as saying.

"France said: 'When we reach an agreement with [Tripoli], we will force the council to cease fire'," the newspaper quoted Gaddafi's son as saying.

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Interesting... I wonder how much truth there are?

**Ojf** · July 11, 2011, 06:08 PM

I can believe this, Qhadhaffi is humiliating the West and they want to end the embarrassment and get the oil flowing again

**Lord Zhang Ku** · July 11, 2011, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ojf

I can believe this, Qhadhaffi is humiliating the West and they want to end the embarrassment and get the oil flowing again

not really. A. Besides Gaddafi's son there is no proof. B. This has not been an embarassment. NATO is simply aiding the rebels towards victory, and that type of thing takes time. It would be foolish to assume this would be easy.

**Ojf** · July 11, 2011, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Zhang Ku

not really. A. Besides Gaddafi's son there is no proof. B. This has not been an embarassment. NATO is simply aiding the rebels towards victory, and that type of thing takes time. It would be foolish to assume this would be easy.

There is expecting things not to be easy, but did they ever expect to have their air force annihilated?

**Lord Zhang Ku** · July 11, 2011, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ojf

There is expecting things not to be easy, but did they ever expect to have their air force annihilated?

What are you talking about? The NATO air force is fine. There have been only a few planes shot down. If you are going to claim that they lost their air force, then I'd like a source.

**Ojf** · July 11, 2011, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Zhang Ku

What are you talking about? The NATO air force is fine. There have been only a few planes shot down. If you are going to claim that they lost their air force, then I'd like a source.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171467.html

Checkmate.

If you bother to reply, at least debate on my level and use a source

**murder_mayhem** · July 11, 2011, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Ojf

There is expecting things not to be easy, but did they ever expect to have their air force annihilated?

When was their air force annihilated? If I remember correctly, it is a no fly zone for Libya, not the other way around..

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Lord Zhang Ku

What are you talking about? The NATO air force is fine. There have been only a few planes shot down. If you are going to claim that they lost their air force, then I'd like a source.

Arg!!! ninja'd

**hellheaven1987** · July 11, 2011, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Zhang Ku

not really. A. Besides Gaddafi's son there is no proof. B. This has not been an embarassment. NATO is simply aiding the rebels towards victory, and that type of thing takes time. It would be foolish to assume this would be easy.

The question is that French Defense Minster Gérard Longuet urged rebels to talk to Gaddafi now, which according to that article, Longuet is in hawkish faction of Libya intervention.

If a French hawk told about peace talk, who knows what is next.

**Cougar109** · July 11, 2011, 06:49 PM

One plane down = Air Force annihilated?

**murder_mayhem** · July 11, 2011, 06:59 PM

Ok here is what your source Press TV says:

"The Libyan newspaper al-Watan reported Wednesday that Libyan forces shot down a French jet fighter which was bombing the city and detained its pilot." So according to some random Libyan newspaper, that can't be biased in this issue 1 plane was shot down... One plane does not sound like the entire airforce.

"Sirte, some 600 kilometers east of the Libyan capital Tripoli is the despotic ruler Muammar Gaddafi's hometown." Ok, so to make this even more inspirational, it was shot down over Gaddafi's hometown... How cute

"A spokesman of the French military, however, has denied Thursday reports that the fighter jet was shot down over the Libyan city." What's this, the French deny it, well that just contradicts the statement above.

So it is unknown whether one airplane was shot down, and to you that means the complete annihilation of the NATO airforce... Wow, your world sound fun!

EDIT: Did I win?

**legate** · July 11, 2011, 07:05 PM

Its funny, the French were the ones who couldn't wait to get in

But seriously I believe only one aircraft has crashed since the conflict started.

**alhoon** · July 11, 2011, 07:05 PM

I think Ojf is trolling. Nobody could claim that the NATO airforce was annihilated or humiliated because one plane was lost. Gaddafi lost his entire airforce and a great lot of tanks. NATO lost missiles.