Ok, hey wulfgar you could put yours here.
Ok, hey wulfgar you could put yours here.
Well the finances are bad for WRE. I'm left wondering if BI overdoes it on the bad money front.
Even if you do build up the treasury you face problems. In the BI exe. the story goes if you have more than 13,000 cash your name characters start turning into a dissolute crowd. This limit is higher in the RTW exe. at 50,000 cash.
The historical economic comparisons are interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_economyBy the end of Marcian's reign, the annual revenue for the Eastern empire was 7,800,000 solidi,
So by the mid 5th century the Eastern Empire had economically recovered to were it was pre-crisis.
They say the infantry cost 30s per man on average.
Let's say Eastern Empire 120,000 infantry x 30s = 3,600,000s
Cavalry they say cost double the infantry. 30,000 cavalry x 60s = 1,800,000s
Giving a total of 5,400,000 pa for the military.
True. Africa alone in the WRE generated over 300000 Solidi.
True, I would love to have lived back then and served in the army - most soldiers lived longer than civilians (not counting the ones who died of course)
That was a quote from my MMFA's thread earlier, and that was using a figure of 6 solidi per month and 10.5 solidi per month. (It also is on par with peter heather's estimates, using the same figures)
If we put the figures at 30 and 60 solidi per month, well, let's see...
7585.6875 infantry or 3792.84375 cavalry. Per annum... That generated a revenue of over 2730847.5 solidi, or 91028.25 infantry or 45514.125 Cavalry
Even when Balancing the 2 that would wipe out the entire Western field army.
Last edited by Magister Militum Flavius Aetius; July 21, 2011 at 07:34 AM.
No not per month, per annum.
Constantines solidi was useful because unlike other coins it remained at its 4.5 gram weight. Maybe it had something to do with the 24 carob seeds. Constantine had the silver coin set at 3 grams and 24 of these to the gold solidi as well.
But the common soldier seldom saw silver and even less gold. Most of the money was a token coin of bronze or brass with a silver wash that didn't have the intrinsic value. However the Solidi became the standard mark for pricing things.
Early in the Empire the retiring soldier after 25 years service or whatever received 3000 denari or it equivalent worth of land or something like that. 3000 Augustan denari would be worth about 170 gold solidi.
Let's say the 5th century WRE army had 20,000 cavalry and 80,000 infantry. That works out at 3,600,000 solidi per annum.
Which means the WRE would be devestated by that kind of loss. If we divide 2730847.5 by 30 or 60 we get the same figures (this is per annum). So if they balanced the two that would be a loss of 50000 infantry and 20000 cavalry. I'd imagine the west probably had about 70000 infantry and 20000 cavalry total. I'll look at the ND listings and get a better figure though.
In it's heyday before the split, the Western half might have produced a revenue of 7.5 million solidi or more. But with the decline of silver production and the loss and devastation of territory the revenue would have been much lower.
Typically 2/3rds of the expenditure went on the army, with the other third covering the bureaucracy and others.
YEs, It's also obvious that Aetius defended Arles and that area not only because of the intrests of the Gallic Landowning Class but also because of the silver deposits in that area. Another reason why the visigoths constantly attacked.
Well silver will always be produced as the by product of other mining and industrial refining. The thing with the Hispanic mines is the introduction of new technology meant the silver could be produced with relatively low input. Less lucrative is something that costs as much to produce as it is worth, that is simply break even.
Gratianus has got his archer bodyguard back? He needs a general unit placed in there somewhere.
Inguiomerus is standing on a non-mobile tile, he might need to be moved one peck to the west.character Gratianus Flavius, named character, age 25, , x 96, y 97
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , Christian 1, GoodCommander 4 , BlackBileHumour 3 , Disciplinarian 3 , Coward 3 , LaxPersonalSecurity 2 , FearsBarbarian 3
ancillaries office_magister_memoriae_west, evil_mother-in-law
army
unit western archer exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit limitanei exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit limitanei exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit limitanei exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit limitanei exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
Vandals aren't in much of a position, the WRE player can easily defend Carthage and wipe the Vandals out completely by only defending the central square alone.faction burgundii, religious stalin
denari 10000
character Odovacar, named character, leader, age 44, , x 84, y 102
traits FactionLeader 1, Warlord 2 , GoodTaxman 2 , GoodAdministrator 3 , HatesNomad 1 , Pagan 1
army
unit chosen warlord alemanni exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit spear warband alemanni exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit spear warband alemanni exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit burgundian lancer exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Inguiomerus, named character, heir, age 24, , x 86, y 103
traits FactionHeir 1 , Pagan 1
army
unit chosen warlord alemanni exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit burgundian lancer exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit burgundian lancer exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
The Vandals need one or two cities of their own in North Africa, but the original BI game map is rather spartan there. It might be useful to transfer to the IB game map.
I will try that, yes, and I will remember to change the bodyguard units I have to do that to a few generals actually. The Ironic thing is that In ORG. BI Graanus has an archer bodyguard.