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    Peter Dale Scott's recent article over the Libyan war is pretty interesting and a good read.

    http://www.japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/3548
    It is a troubled Time for NATO’s campaign against Libya. President Obama has seen a near-revolt in Congress against the costly war, while Defense Secretary Gates in Brussels has warned his European allies that their tepid response “is putting the Libya mission and the alliance's very future at risk.”1 Back home, according to the London Daily Mail, “Mr Gates has requested extra funds for Libya operations, but has been rebuffed by the White House.”2

    The past history of American wars tells us that, when the war-going begins to get tough, the professional p.r. campaigns get going, often with wholly invented stories. For example, when in 1990 Colin Powell (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) was expressing doubts that the United States should attack Kuwait, stories appeared that, as revealed by classified satellite photos, Saddam had amassed 265,000 troops and 1500 tanks at the edge of the Saudi Arabian border. Powell then changed his mind, and the attack proceeded. But after the invasion a reporter from the St. Petersburg Times viewed satellite photos from a commercial satellite, and “she saw no sign of a quarter of a million troops or their tanks.”3

    Hawks in Congress, notably Tom Lantos and Stephen Solarz, secured support for the attack on Iraq with a story from a 15-year-old girl, that she had seen Kuwaiti infants snatched from their incubators by Iraqi soldiers. The story was discredited when it was learned that the girl, the daughter of the Saudi ambassador in Washington, might not have visited the hospital at all. She had been prepped on her story by the p.r. firm Hill & Knowlton, which had a contract for $11.5 million from the Kuwaiti government.4

    The history of American foreign interventions is littered with such false stories, from the “Remember the Maine” campaign of the Hearst press in 1898, to the false stories of a North Vietnamese attack on U.S. destroyers in the so-called Second Tonkin Gulf incident of August 4, 1964. We know furthermore that in their Operation Northwoods documents, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962 proposed a series of ways, some of them lethal, to deceive the American people in order to engineer a war against Cuba.5

    Since the fiasco of the false Iraqi stories in 1990-91, these stories have tended to be floated by foreign sources, usually European. This was conspicuously the case with the forged yellowcake documents from Italy underlying Bush’s misleading reference to Iraq in his 2003 State of the Union address.6 But it was true also of the false stories linking Saddam Hussein to the celebrated anthrax letters of 2001. (Their anthrax was later determined to have come from a U.S. biowarfare laboratory.)7

    This recurring history of falsified stories to justify interventions should be on our minds as we now face the allegations, as yet neither proven nor disproven, that Gaddafi has been using rape as a method to fight insurrection, and may have been guilty of raping victims himself. These charges were made on June 8 by Luis Moreno-Ocampo, chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), who claimed (according to Time Magazine):
    there were indications that Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi had ordered the rape of hundreds of women during his violent crackdown on the rebels and that he had even provided his soldiers with Viagra to stimulate the potential for attacks.8

    Luis Moreno-Ocampo Here Moreno is apparently repeating a charge first circulated back in April by Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.

    On Thursday [April 28], US ambassador Susan Rice announced that Libyan government troops were being issued Viagra and told to rape as a terror weapon. She made the comment as part of a debate with another envoy to highlight that “the coalition is confronting an adversary doing reprehensible things.” Several diplomats said Rice provided no evidence for the Viagra allegation, which they said was made in an attempt to persuade doubters the conflict in Libya was not just a standard civil war but a much nastier fight in which Gadhafi is not afraid to order his troops to commit heinous acts.
    However, today, MSNBC was told by US military and intelligence officials that there is no basis for Rice’s claims. While rape has been reported as a “weapon” in many conflicts, the US officials say they’ve seen no such reports out of Libya.9

    According to Time, the rape stories are being circulated by doctors who claim to have met and treated patients but do not have patients' permission to reveal their identities. Earlier, according to a Libyan doctor interviewed in an Al Jazeera video, “many doctors have found Viagra and condoms in the pockets of dead pro-Gaddafi fighters, as well as treated female rape survivors. The doctor insists this clearly indicates the Gaddafi regime is using rape as a weapon of war.”9

    But what of Moreno’s charge that “Now we are getting some information that Gaddafi himself decided to rape, and this is new.”10 This is a sensational charge: until we learn there is a reliable source for it, one can suspect it was made to grab headlines.

    One problem in investigating these charges is that Libyan culture is so unkind to rape victims that they are reluctant to come forward. Researchers for Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International were unable to find one woman who said she had been raped. A U.N. human rights investigator, Cherif Bassiouni, told Agence France-Presse that the rape and Viagra stories were being circulated by the Benghazi authorities as “part of a ‘massive hysteria.’” In fact he had discovered only three cases.11

    Military conflict of course is normally accompanied by rape. What might constitute a war crime would be whether (to quote Time) Gaddafi “had provided his soldiers with Viagra.” Moreno actually said, according to the Associated Press, that “some witnesses confirmed that the [Libyan] government was buying containers of Viagra-type drugs ‘to enhance the possibility to rape.’"

    Others have objected that the purchase of Viagra-type drugs falls far short of indicating a war crime. Former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, in Tripoli on an investigative mission, has pointed out in her emails that to date the one army known to have distributed Viagra as part of its war operations is the U.S. Army – as a bribe to entice information from aging tribal leaders in Afghanistan.12

    Time’s subtle enhancement of Moreno’s claim – from purchasing Viagra to providing it to soldiers, reminds us of the sorry record of the U.S. mainstream media in circulating past false stories to justify war. It is painful to say this, but virtually every major U.S. military intervention since Korea has been accompanied by false stories. Mr. Moreno-Ocampo should be pressed to come forward quickly with the supporting evidence for his charges, which should be based on more than the testimony of doctors working for the Benghazi regime.

    Peter Dale Scott, a former Canadian diplomat and English Professor at the University of California, Berkeley, is the author of Drugs Oil and War, The Road to 9/11, and The War Conspiracy: JFK, 9/11, and the Deep Politics of War. His most recent book is American War Machine: Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection and the Road to Afghanistan. His website, which contains a wealth of his writings, is here.
    Recommended citation: Peter Dale Scott, Rape in Libya: America’s recent major wars have all been accompanied by memorable falsehoods, The Asia-Pacific Journal, Volume 9, Issue 24, No. 4, June 13, 2011.

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    We are not reddit.

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    two things: 1. This is not an American war, he losses a lot of creditabilty right there. 2. Yeah the rapes were presented as a possibility, but was retracted (by the same sources that reported them) when no evidence was found.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OP
    Peter Dale Scott, a former Canadian diplomat and English Professor at the University of California, Berkeley, is the author of Drugs Oil and War, The Road to 9/11, and The War Conspiracy: JFK, 9/11, and the Deep Politics of War. His most recent book is American War Machine: Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection and the Road to Afghanistan.
    Re-quoted with bolding for emphasis as to why this guy is a loon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    Re-quoted with bolding for emphasis as to why this guy is a loon.
    Loon with a very good point though. And no less of a loon than those who lend support to military interventions on the basis of a fabricated agenda. That whole nonsense with Iraqi soldiers and incubators was immediately suspicious to me at the time and I was only 11.

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    So apparently being against warmongering and killing people overseas makes you into a "loon" and makes your opinion not worth reading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    So apparently being against warmongering and killing people overseas makes you into a "loon" and makes your opinion not worth reading?
    Yup.


    umad?

    No seriously - it is more than that. I am against warmongering and killing people, but Im not a loon like this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faaip de Oiad View Post
    Yup.


    umad?

    No seriously - it is more than that. I am against warmongering and killing people, but Im not a loon like this guy.
    Why is he a loon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by von Jungingen's bad decision View Post
    Peter Dale Scott, a former Canadian diplomat and English Professor at the University of California, Berkeley, is the author of Drugs Oil and War, The Road to 9/11, and The War Conspiracy: JFK, 9/11, and the Deep Politics of War. His most recent book is American War Machine: Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection and the Road to Afghanistan.
    Nope, no agenda here. Move along....

    Ha! Ninja'ed.

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    How did a conspiracy theorist become a diplomat and later a professor? o.O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    How did a conspiracy theorist become a diplomat and later a professor? o.O
    Firstly I'd show some respect for the elder. He's on against US warmongering since Vietnam. And I tell you to wait some more 10 years for acknowledging that these stories are all 'conspiracy theories'.

    After all, Second Tonkin Incident is indeed a blatant example of such conspiracies turned out to be truth.

    ... and that by any means puts me 'pro-Gaddafi'.
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    Smells like the story of stolen baby incubator in Kowait in 1990... When will the west learn?

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    Well, I thought we all learn from Iraqi War did we?
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    Hellheaven, sometimes you remind me of King Canute trying to hold back the tide, except without the winning parable.
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    America's war in Libya?

    No. This guy is just another Alex Jones.

    ing nut job.

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    Everything that goes against the Holy Words of NATO officials and Free Media (such as FOX news) is a vile conspiracy theory. Or at least thats how America's fanboys think here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charrua View Post
    Firstly I'd show some respect for the elder. He's on against US warmongering since Vietnam. And I tell you to wait some more 10 years for acknowledging that these stories are all 'conspiracy theories'.

    After all, Second Tonkin Incident is indeed a blatant example of such conspiracies turned out to be truth.

    ... and that by any means puts me 'pro-Gaddafi'.
    This isn't the Vietnam War, for a start Operation Odyssey Dawn isn't US led.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    Everything that goes against the Holy Words of NATO officials and Free Media (such as FOX news) is a vile conspiracy theory. Or at least thats how America's fanboys think here.
    you forgot the holy words of dictators with superior living standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    This isn't the Vietnam War, for a start Operation Odyssey Dawn isn't US led.
    How about Iraq War?
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    Hellheaven, sometimes you remind me of King Canute trying to hold back the tide, except without the winning parable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Joe View Post
    Everything that goes against the Holy Words of NATO officials and Free Media (such as FOX news) is a vile conspiracy theory. Or at least thats how America's fanboys think here.
    Oh please. Don't accuse us of being on the same boat as Fox News or supporting the wars in Iraq/afghanistan.

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    I was hoping this article would illustrate a problem facing males today. That is the false accusation of rape by women.
    It's clear that most of these women are just spouting off this crap in order to make some sort of gain.
    I mean hell, look at the recent DSK 'rape' case. Women just trying to smear the name of someone and ride the money train.

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    I like how this is America's war, hilarious.

    Excellent headline to make me not read anything in this topic especially when you are talking about factual information and you mention BS euro-trash propaganda like that.

    umad?
    People still say this? wtf?

    Please don't say umad. I was hoping to never read that on this forum
    Last edited by Kanaric; July 12, 2011 at 02:40 AM.
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