psychopath on killing spree. who's to blame?

[Valiant Champion]

http://news.yahoo.com/gunman-often-r...212154327.html

first four paragraphs here

[QUOTEGRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) — When Rodrick Shonte Dantzler raised a gun to his head after going on a deadly shooting spree, the bullet ended what those close to him described as a troubled life in which he frequently resorted to violence and often made threats against women and relatives.

Police say the 34-year-old ex-con targeted two former girlfriends in Thursday's rampage, fatally shooting both of them and five members of their families, including his own 12-year-old daughter. He also shot and wounded two other people — one of them another ex-girlfriend — while leading officers on a chase through Michigan's second-largest city.

"He went out hunting these people down. It was very much a purposeful act." Police Chief Kevin Belk said Friday, describing Dantzler as mentally unstable but saying he knew of no clinical diagnosis or motive for the killings.

Dantzler's rap sheet goes back to 1992, when he was charged as a juvenile with breaking and entering and car theft. That was followed over the next eight years by charges of trespassing, domestic violence, destruction of property, larceny and assault.
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I blame the judges and the judicial system for this. The guy had a rap sheet a mile long, a violent one. He should have been behind bars for most of the rest of his life instead of out free to kill all those people. How many other people like him are out on the streets free who have committed numerous violent felonies?

If I were one of the judges that slapped the back of this man's hand and allowed him to roam free, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I would have to feel responsible for those peoples deaths.

[hellheaven1987]

That is when penal legion a good choice.

[bubbathegump]

That is when penal legion a good choice.

Dude I so wish they still had those. "Their bullets or ours" as the Soviets would say...Would make good use of overflowing prisons maybe.

[Eofor]

Maybe it was the guy who pulled the trigger.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Maybe it was the guy who pulled the trigger.

maybe you should read beyond the title?

[Redrum]

Maybe it was the guy who pulled the trigger.

hahaha

[Eofor]

I did. And it still ultimately is the fault of the guy who pulled the trigger.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

The point the OP is trying to make is that this guy should have been in jail and unable to commit htis rime.

[Pharoah]

The point the OP is trying to make is that this guy should have been in jail and unable to commit his crime.

Fixed

[xcorps]

Concillius is right. You imprison and punish people for what they have done, not for what they might do.

He should have been behind bars for most of the rest of his life instead of out free to kill all those people

For what, specifically? Don't say everything he did, because "everything he did" is not a criminal offense.

[Justice and Mercy]

Concillius is right. You imprison and punish people for what they have done, not for what they might do.

And what he HAS done, repeatedly, is prove that he is incapable of dealing with other human beings peacefully.

The penal system ought to reflect this.

[xcorps]

And what he HAS done, repeatedly, is prove that he is incapable of dealing with other human beings peacefully.

The penal system ought to reflect this.

In some places it does. People cry and moan about the 3 strikes law. People complain about the justice system being too harsh in that aspect.

What had he done prior to the murders that you would say specifically grants the government the power to imprison him for life?

[craziii]

why waste money jailing his ass? just execute his ass. look at how much burden the prisons are placing on california. 3 strikes and into the furnace you go.

[Justice and Mercy]

why waste money jailing his ass? just execute his ass. look at how much burden the prisons are placing on california. 3 strikes and into the furnace you go.

NOW, sure, I'd consider it, but for the crimes that he'd commited before this? No, they weren't severe enough.

However, any two MAJOR violent crimes on seperate sides of imprisonment oughtta land a person life in prison or death, depending simply on whether or not the death penalty is deemed appropriate by the nation's judicial system (a choice that I myself am not sure on).

[priam11]

why waste money jailing his ass? just execute his ass. look at how much burden the prisons are placing on california. 3 strikes and into the furnace you go.

Because executing someone is really a cost cutting measure? Really?

These types of cases always initialize the typical knee jerk reaction of pointing fingers to everyone except the guy that actually pulled the trigger. The inevitable political exploitation under the banner of getting "tough on crime" will surely follow.

[craziii]

Because executing someone is really a cost cutting measure? Really?

These types of cases always initialize the typical knee jerk reaction of pointing fingers to everyone except the guy that actually pulled the trigger. The inevitable political exploitation under the banner of getting "tough on crime" will surely follow.

it only requires 1 bullet. there is no need to be humane to "real" criminals.

[Their Law]

For the massacre?

Dantzler alone.

[Simon Cashmere]

The problem with more jail time, is the public doesn't want to pay for jails. They are *really* expensive, especially maximum security. My view is that they should sentenced people to a dollar amount, which they then have to work off, plus interest to the state over time so that jails are a source of profit for the community, or at least self-funding instead of a huge drain on resources.

I also think that mental health intervention, early on, in school, can help a lot of people. You look at the people who commit these acts, and they are usually (not always) frustrated angry loners who are bitter and angry at the whole world, until one day they decide that before they die, they will get revenge on the world. Proper mental health treatment for people like that, can (with some anyway) help them enjoy their lives rather than be willing to take it.

[Valiant Champion]

The problem with more jail time, is the public doesn't want to pay for jails. They are *really* expensive, especially maximum security. My view is that they should sentenced people to a dollar amount, which they then have to work off, plus interest to the state over time so that jails are a source of profit for the community, or at least self-funding instead of a huge drain on resources.

I also think that mental health intervention, early on, in school, can help a lot of people. You look at the people who commit these acts, and they are usually (not always) frustrated angry loners who are bitter and angry at the whole world, until one day they decide that before they die, they will get revenge on the world. Proper mental health treatment for people like that, can (with some anyway) help them enjoy their lives rather than be willing to take it.

This guy was never diagnosed with anything but if you look at the signature of his personality than you would come to the conclusion that he was a sociopath/psychopath. I am not sure that any mental health treatment would fix a person like that. He wasnt a loner, he had a magnetic personality( A trademark shared by some of the worst criminals around). There is a huge difference between someone who is mentally ill and someone who preys on "helpless" people.

[Simon Cashmere]

This guy was never diagnosed with anything but if you look at the signature of his personality than you would come to the conclusion that he was a sociopath/psychopath. I am not sure that any mental health treatment would fix a person like that. He wasnt a loner, he had a magnetic personality( A trademark shared by some of the worst criminals around). There is a huge difference between someone who is mentally ill and someone who preys on "helpless" people.

It is true that psychopaths are pretty much immune from treatment. Most people don't fall within this category however, and I think mental health assistance can certainly help a lot of people.