What's the Pope's Cheatin' Name?

**Greyish** · July 09, 2011, 12:17 PM

Howdy all,

Been replaying the game recently and have been testing out some odd scenarios. The Pope in the game is currently a statistical weakling and I wanted to give him a boost by giving him some additional traits using the 'give_trait' cheat code (and ancillaries too). Yet I can't seem to figure out the entry name I need to select him with.

The current Pope was originally a Papal States priest called "Borghese Bernardi" and giving him traits while he was only a priest worked using this name. As the pope he was renamed 'Villanus'. Giving him traits now under his previous name doesn't work and neither does using versions of his new name, such as 'give_trait Villanus xxx' or 'give_trait "Pope Villanus" xxx', etc.

Any ideas what the AI changes the names of their entries to when they become Pope?

EDIT: Yeah, I know I could just type 'give_trait this xxx' in the cheat syntax but the Pope won't leave Rome, which makes things more difficult.

**PrestigeX** · July 09, 2011, 01:58 PM

The Pope's are random Cardinal Guys right > i mean its different everytime - If you find the Papal States too weak, you could give them another starting settlement in the descr_strat file. Like turn florence or other nearby rebels into Papal States.

I usually find the pope doing just fine - strong even - maybe with the starting Settlements you can give him a bigger army - and/or make those starting units have a far higher Experience level. And make the Characters / Family Members have a high experience - so they will be good in combat.

With any 'bad character' just have them win a few battles first, then they get lots of good traits.

**Greyish** · July 09, 2011, 02:22 PM

If only he came out of his settlement to have a fight. He to like the comfort of his Governor chair too much. Otherwise the Papal States are doing okay when fighting amongst the other factions. Milan, Venice and Sicily were wiped out quickly and they too advantage. He has several generals. In some ways this is probably an aesthetic task but helpful for future reference too.

As for the Pope, he was an former priest unit that was elevated to his current position rather than just a random. I could just go back to a previous save a re-edit him as 'Borghese Bernardi' but it would undo more work than it's worth.

**eXistenZ** · July 09, 2011, 03:49 PM

don't care for the pope, he will annoy you enough later on

**Greyish** · July 10, 2011, 04:24 AM

True, the AI is a good example of a habitual backstabber. I could just stampede the whole game and blitz the other factions but doing so is oldhat and I'm just looking to toy about with the mechanics.

Going to guess here that no one actually knows the answer.

**Aymer de Valence** · July 10, 2011, 05:30 AM

the Pope will come out one day, last time i saw him he was heading up through Germany and got ambushed by a rebel army lol. Unfortunately he won the battle

**eXistenZ** · July 10, 2011, 06:22 AM

Nah the pope isnt a backstabber, in fact he is the only long term ally. only problem is that he always nags about you having to stop the fighting

**Emperor of The Great Unknown** · July 10, 2011, 07:20 PM

The Pope in the Late game can become very aggressive and with the penalty on any faction it attacks it very quickly dominates. But the Pope is the only thing that will save you from a Timurid Apocalypse when he ges powerful.

**Greyish** · July 11, 2011, 07:22 AM

Okay, alternative question; is their any command that lists the unit designation of each general?

**dannyalex** · July 11, 2011, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Emperor of The Great Unknown

The Pope in the Late game can become very aggressive and with the penalty on any faction it attacks it very quickly dominates. But the Pope is the only thing that will save you from a Timurid Apocalypse when he ges powerful.

Are u

ing kidding me?
The blood thirsty bastard-vampire Pope attack me while i was in was with venice..and guess what he bring Milan and sicily too

it was at turn 20!
vh/vh

Originally Posted by eXistenZ

Nah the pope isnt a backstabber, in fact he is the only long term ally. only problem is that he always nags about you having to stop the fighting

In your dreams !!!try play with Byzantine Empire...he was allie also...Vampire

**AJStoner** · July 17, 2011, 01:30 PM

There is an "IamPope" trait that tells the game who the pope is. It has no function other than as an identifier but you could add new effects to it to make sure you have lean-mean-pope'n machines.