Terrorism Growing in the Republic

[Sharpe's Company]

Irish Terrorism is on the rise in the Republic of Ireland.

Over the past few weeks major operations have taken place by the Police Force and have discovered Bomb making materials and large weapons caches. There have also been an increase in cross-border smuggling of arms going directly to the Northern Command of the IRA.

The British Government a few weeks ago gave the Police Force of N.I an extra £200m to deal with the current rise in Terrorism. This new campaign being launched by the IRA with bombs being found pretty much now on a daily basis, is doing what it is supposed to be doing, disrupting communities but more importantly turning investors away and making Northern Ireland unstable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14076589
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14076591
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14075805
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13822766
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13916084
I could post loads more from recent weeks and months, this isn't going away!!

So I'll ask the question, what has happened to the war on terrorism and do you think the British Army should cross the border and hunt down these Terrorists like we are doing in Afghanistan?

[Mikesmith08]

The very worst thing the British army could do is cross the border and 'hunt down these terrorists'. It would inflame the situation to no end. I see no evidence to support a truly revived republican movement. A large degree can be put down to a new violent youth movement, but I highly doubt this will lead to a renewal of the troubles. By increasing funding of the NI police department the government has taken the only sensible option and the only option it really has. With Libya and Afghanistan the British army is stretched enough without a war on its doorstep.

[Sharpe's Company]

You see no revived republican movement, then you don't look at the news very carefully because for the last 4 years things have been picking up in pace. This year alone we have had hundreds of bombs, many of them have been ignited! Thankfully no one has been seriously hurt, but businesses and homes have been ruined, and millions, some may say billions have been lost in revenue due directly to the revival in irish Catholic terrorism.

[Spitfire -WONDERBOLT!]

The very worst thing the British army could do is cross the border and 'hunt down these terrorists'. It would inflame the situation to no end. I see no evidence to support a truly revived republican movement. A large degree can be put down to a new violent youth movement, but I highly doubt this will lead to a renewal of the troubles. By increasing funding of the NI police department the government has taken the only sensible option and the only option it really has. With Libya and Afghanistan the British army is stretched enough without a war on its doorstep.

Libya is an air campaign, the RAF isn't required, not bombers and fighters certainly...

[Sir Pignans]

Recession = unemployment.

Unemployment + youngsters = dissent.

[Sharpe's Company]

Recession = unemployment.

Unemployment + youngsters = dissent.

Which country, the United Kingdom or Republic of Ireland?

In Belfast, unemployment in Ballymurphy and other Nationalist strongholds has been at the same level for decades. In some of these areas unemployment reaches 70%.

We know that crime increases, as has been shown recently but terrorism, I'm not so sure.

[Admiral Piett]

In Belfast, unemployment in Ballymurphy and other Nationalist strongholds has been at the same level for decades. In some of these areas unemployment reaches 70%.

There's your answer. If 3 out of 4 people you know didn't have a job, you'd see people resort to acts of desperation and violence.

And the stats you've posted have shown nothing on the scale of was occurring just prior to the Troubles.

[Armenum]

Fortunately the situation in Ireland is incomparable with the situation right now in Afghanistan/Pakistan border regions.

[Sharpe's Company]

Fortunately the situation in Ireland is incomparable with the situation right now in Afghanistan/Pakistan border regions.

Fortunately? I think you mean it was fortunate that the 500lb bomb coming up from Dublin was stopped in Newry before it made Belfast!

Why do I sense you're trying to play down the issue by comparing the situation on the north west frontier, who did compare it? I made the point that we're supposedly in Afghanistan to stop terrorists from attacking the United Kingdom. We have Terrorists in the Republic of Ireland trying to attack the United Kingdom, what is the difference I ask, and why are the British Army not crossing the border and doing the same in the Republic as they are doing in Afghanistan.

[Armenum]

Fortunately? I think you mean it was fortunate that the 500lb bomb coming up from Dublin was stopped in Newry before it made Belfast!

Why do I sense you're trying to play down the issue by comparing the situation on the north west frontier, who did compare it? I made the point that we're supposedly in Afghanistan to stop terrorists from attacking the United Kingdom. We have Terrorists in the Republic of Ireland trying to attack the United Kingdom, what is the difference I ask, and why are the British Army not crossing the border and doing the same in the Republic as they are doing in Afghanistan.

Difference is that the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan regions which NATO is fighting are not comparable in terms of strength, ability, resources, rhetoric, etc. to the Irish terrorists in these cases. Yes, they should still be dealt with seriously, but you don't need the same response like to the terrorists of in the Afghan War.

[Sharpe's Company]

Difference is that the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan regions which NATO is fighting are not comparable in terms of strength, ability, resources, rhetoric, etc. to the Irish terrorists in these cases. Yes, they should still be dealt with seriously, but you don't need the same response like to the terrorists of in the Afghan War.

Don't know what planet you're living on, the IRA are the most efficient terrorist network in the world and have been for nearly 90 years. What have farmers in Afghanistan done, wired up some IEDs. Hardly a war against the United Kingdom, like the IRA campaign in the 70s/80s/90s attacking every aspect of our Nation.

The real picture is, the only Terrorists who have attacked the UK are Irish.

And before you mention 7/7 those Muslims were from Yorkshire, or wherever they came from, Lancashire whatever, hardly Afghanistan.

We need to withdraw from NATO first and foremost, remove all American Nukes and their Bases from the UK, tell them to fight their own imperialist wars themselves, we got trouble at home and they're not helping us, so why should we bleed for American interests.

[Poach]

Don't know what planet you're living on, the IRA are the most efficient terrorist network in the world and have been for nearly 90 years.

By what standard do you measure this? The Taliban and AQ have caused more damage and more death than the IRA ever did.

What have farmers in Afghanistan done, wired up some IEDs. Hardly a war against the United Kingdom, like the IRA campaign in the 70s/80s/90s attacking every aspect of our Nation.

The Taliban are not waging a war against the United Kingdom. They're waging a war to preserve Islamic Law in Afghanistan. They've never attacked British soil. Get your facts sorted out.

Al-Qaeda are the international terrorists, and they also, until the 7/7 bombings, did not target Britain. We're in Afghanistan because they attacked (multiple times in the past, but the Trade Towers were the final straw) the United States and our NATO obligations meant we had to act.

The real picture is, the only Terrorists who have attacked the UK are Irish.

And before you mention 7/7 those Muslims were from Yorkshire, or wherever they came from, Lancashire whatever, hardly Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda isn't even Afghan. Those Muslims, from the UK, were affiliated with Al-Qaeda. Their suicide video even had Al-Qaeda spokesmen in it. So yes, AQ has attacked British soil. That is fact.

Also fact is they had not attacked until after we were in Afghanistan and Iraq.

We need to withdraw from NATO first and foremost, remove all American Nukes and their Bases from the UK, tell them to fight their own imperialist wars themselves, we got trouble at home and they're not helping us, so why should we bleed for American interests.

Those American bases bring money into the economies they're based in. You'll know, of course, from watching the news that the RAF base closures in Scotland will cause significant damage to the local economy. You want to close all the American bases as well, destroying those local economies?

We have trouble at home? Really? I must be watching the wrong news channels, because I'm not seeing widespread sectarian violence in Northern Ireland. I'm not seeing these bombs you speak of going off.

What I'm seeing is some low-level attempts at terrorism that the local police are quite successfully keeping under control. The only Army presence even required is some bomb disposal. Why, pray tell, should we deloy the Army back to NI? They're not needed there, and haven't been for more than a decade.

[Spitfire -WONDERBOLT!]

Don't know what planet you're living on, the IRA are the most efficient terrorist network in the world and have been for nearly 90 years.

Wrong, their crap, but there Romantic, because they won a nation foreigners regard them as freedom fighters, and so give lots of funding, plus they have lots of arms dealers who are Ex IRA.

Apparently the IRA are gone.. I don't believe their dead, but hopefully they won't reform into the beast they were.

We need to withdraw from NATO first and foremost, remove all American Nukes and their Bases from the UK, tell them to fight their own imperialist wars themselves, we got trouble at home and they're not helping us, so why should we bleed for American interests.

Why?
Because some idiot said we would be nice to them, now we have to uphold his promise, loyalty is a fundamental part of our identity, and we need the world to know that, but pulling out of nato might be a good idea, however, and the EU, putting more emphasizes on our commonwealth ties.

[Armenum]

Don't know what planet you're living on, the IRA are the most efficient terrorist network in the world and have been for nearly 90 years. What have farmers in Afghanistan done, wired up some IEDs. Hardly a war against the United Kingdom, like the IRA campaign in the 70s/80s/90s attacking every aspect of our Nation.

The real picture is, the only Terrorists who have attacked the UK are Irish.

And before you mention 7/7 those Muslims were from Yorkshire, or wherever they came from, Lancashire whatever, hardly Afghanistan.

We need to withdraw from NATO first and foremost, remove all American Nukes and their Bases from the UK, tell them to fight their own imperialist wars themselves, we got trouble at home and they're not helping us, so why should we bleed for American interests.

At the current moment, terrorist networks such as al-Qaeda pose more harm than the IRA - and have done a significant amount of harm to the world community in the past years. Those Muslims who launched those attacks were with no doubt influenced by al-Qaeda - who not only does physical harm but has launched a fierce information war to recruit such terrorists and encourage attacks. The IRA, though still dangerous, is losing steam, and at this point is not as dangerous and crucial as groups such as al-Qaeda.

I wouldn't say the IRA situation is that dire to quit international military organisations and rewire the foreign policy and positions of the military.

[Azog 150]

So I'll ask the question, what has happened to the war on terrorism and do you think the British Army should cross the border and hunt down these Terrorists like we are doing in Afghanistan?

No, all it would do is massively inflame the situation and draw more people towards terrorism. It would be counter-productive, not to mention deploying troops in the ROI would effectively mean going to war with our only neighbour.

The status quo seems to be working okay. ROI deals with their side of the border, we deal with our side. Closer co-operation may be needed though (Although I believe cooperation between MI5, the PSNI and the Garda is already close)

The security forces currently seem to be doing a decent job preventing any major loss of life, and the fact that of the hundreds of attempts by terrorists to launch successful attacks, only a handful have succeeded, and even then they have been fairly small scale.

[Sharpe's Company]

No, all it would do is massively inflame the situation and draw more people towards terrorism. It would be counter-productive, not to mention deploying troops in the ROI would effectively mean going to war with our only neighbour.

The status quo seems to be working okay. ROI deals with their side of the border, we deal with our side. Closer co-operation may be needed though (Although I believe cooperation between MI5, the PSNI and the Garda is already close)

The security forces currently seem to be doing a decent job preventing any major loss of life, and the fact that of the hundreds of attempts by terrorists to launch successful attacks, only a handful have succeeded, and even then they have been fairly small scale.

I have to give it to you as you're right but you're right because of this reason

They're waiting for a reaction from either the British State or the Loyalist to justify their new campaign, this is what they always do. First it was their civil rights movement, who by the way caused all the trouble to begin with, started by the IRA (fact), then it was 'Internment' mix that with the Ballymurphy massacre (one most brits forget..) and bloody sunday, the next big thing was the 'Hunger Strike'. All of these events gave them 'credibility' around the world to take the war to the UK and lets not forget, you may be too young to remember but most of the world sided with the IRA, including the USA. For example an IRA prisoner escaped a UK prison he ran to the USA and the USA refused to hand him over for years and years, even though he was a convicted terrorist!

So in finishing, they're just waiting for something to happen, so maybe you are right, and I'm jumping the gun a little but I want to protect the people before things do go over the edge.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I don't see what's wrong with the civil rights movement's demand. Only a barbaric government would refuse such things as equal suffrage. Yet Basil Brooke urged employers to "whever possible, employ good protestant lads and lassies". Would you accept living under a government prejudiced against you for no reason?

I think you mean a policeman was shot down in East Belfast in the late 60s.

They randomly murdered hundreds of British citizens, destroyed millions of pound's worth of property and bombed Dublin and Monaghan, killing 33.

[Sharpe's Company]

Their only crime was loyalty.

In the words of James Craig, in response to Éamon de Valera.

"The hon. Member must remember that in the South they boasted of a Catholic State. They still boast of Southern Ireland being a Catholic State. All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State."

How many Protestants now live in the Republic of Ireland compared to when it was apart of the United Kingdom, why is it fine that the Free-State restricted work and still do I bet, but not Northern Ireland, A Protestant Province for a Protestant People.

But this all off-topic, we're talking about today, not 30/40/50 years ago.

It the people on your side of the border who are arming themselves for a new campaign in the North.

[Spitfire -WONDERBOLT!]

Does anyone know why there's doin' this ?

[Sharpe's Company]

Does anyone know why there's doin' this ?

Why they're doing this?

Because they're Irish, and like us Brits, they're born Fighters.