Best "Evil" games

**Shneckie** · July 09, 2011, 04:21 PM

Fable 1/2/3? Even though you work towards a wholly good objective, your means can be extremely evil.

**the_mango55** · July 09, 2011, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Nole4694

Supreme Commander does this quite well, everyone is convinced they are in the right and that the others are "evil" deserve death.

It's quite obvious that the Cybrans are the good guys.

You know, the red and black ones with all the spikes on their vehicles

It is funny though that the evil looking ones seem to be the ones who are most "in the right." They just want freedom while the UEF wants them as slaves and the Aeon wants to kill everyone who doesn't convert.

**Spitfire -WONDERBOLT!** · July 09, 2011, 04:36 PM

Dawn of war, You can summon daemons against the EMPERAH!

**Ulyaoth** · July 09, 2011, 04:51 PM

Roller Coaster Tycoon series.

**Manco** · July 09, 2011, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Aonghus G. Friedhold

The problem is that it's difficult to accurately portray good and evil. It's easy to make your options be, Save the kitten from the tree, give the little girl $3,000 and pledge to never let her kitten enter into danger again or kill the kitten and the little girl, but they rarely flesh out that kind of encounter into how someone "evil" would really handle it. Maybe they save the kitten, and then they're an

about getting it back.

But the even bigger problem I think is the linear advancement system on games that keep track of good/evil. Karma from Fallout 3/NV, Light Side/Dark Side in KOTOR, Renegade/Paragon, they all go one way or another, and often penalize you for not being one or the other. That's just stupid.

Agreed. I think a better solution than the curent karma system would be to do away with it it completely. After all people can't know just by looking at you whether you're a good guy or not.
I'd reckon some sort of extensive factional reputation system combined with a more natural approach to news about your deeds spreading, would be more immersive
For example you might have worked with a crimelord in some remote place but a "good" faction could never have heard of it because you killed every witness, don't know it was you or the news simply hasn't reached them. Likewise a group A might not care you kill group B, hate you for killing group C and love yyou for killing group D; but all on the condition they actually hear of you doing it.
Of course truly major events would still spread your reputation around, but then you might have the option of not loudly proclaiming your name.

**Tankfriend** · July 09, 2011, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Ulyaoth

Roller Coaster Tycoon series.

How is that game evil? Oh, wait... I think there was something about "unknowing test subjects for new experimental suicide rollercoasters", right?

**Ulyaoth** · July 09, 2011, 05:27 PM

How is being an evil corporate businessman not evil? I charged for everything, including bathrooms, when I got pissed I would lock people in the park, or if people got mad at something and sad they were leaving I tended to imprison them. On a high shear tower. And then drop them at my leisure to drown. Hmm, yes, I feel like reinstalling that now.

**Aonghus G. Friedhold** · July 09, 2011, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Manco

Agreed. I think a better solution than the curent karma system would be to do away with it it completely. After all people can't know just by looking at you whether you're a good guy or not.
I'd reckon some sort of extensive factional reputation system combined with a more natural approach to news about your deeds spreading, would be more immersive
For example you might have worked with a crimelord in some remote place but a "good" faction could never have heard of it because you killed every witness, don't know it was you or the news simply hasn't reached them. Likewise a group A might not care you kill group B, hate you for killing group C and love yyou for killing group D; but all on the condition they actually hear of you doing it.
Of course truly major events would still spread your reputation around, but then you might have the option of not loudly proclaiming your name.

Yeah, New Vegas took a step in the right direction with reputation, but it was really just a shell of what it could be.

**RVFVS** · July 09, 2011, 07:40 PM

Gonna go with the following:

Kotor series

Dragon Age Origins

Fable 1 (the best...)

GTA IV

Fallout/Oblivion

**Aonghus G. Friedhold** · July 09, 2011, 08:04 PM

Oblivion had evil options? I mean, outside of the DB.

**the_mango55** · July 09, 2011, 10:02 PM

The GTA games definitely.

**Nole4694** · July 09, 2011, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by the_mango55

It's quite obvious that the Cybrans are the good guys.

You know, the red and black ones with all the spikes on their vehicles

It is funny though that the evil looking ones seem to be the ones who are most "in the right." They just want freedom while the UEF wants them as slaves and the Aeon wants to kill everyone who doesn't convert.

Oh yeah, the Cybrans had the most just cause. I was just saying that in the respective campaigns you can see the other side of things and understand them, at least to a degree. Its not "Rawr I am evil! I must conquer and destroy all!", they all believe they are in the right for various reasons.

Actually thinking back the UEF is really a quite realistic "Evil". A lot like the Galactic Empire, but with less sith

EDIT: @Ulyaoth, lmao that sounds amazing.