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    Serbian President Boris Tadic has paid a rare official visit to Bosnia-Herzegovina in a bid to improve ties between Belgrade and Sarajevo that were severely damaged by the 1992-95 war.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia_.../24257472.html

    Serbian President Boris Tadic has paid a rare official visit to Bosnia-Herzegovina in a bid to improve ties between Belgrade and Sarajevo that were severely damaged by the 1992-95 war.

    Tadic, a native of Sarajevo, frequently visits Bosnia-Herzegovina's Serbian entity, but this is only his second official trip to the capital, Sarajevo, in his capacity as Serbia's president.

    Tadic's meetings with Bosnia's three-member Presidency, as well as with lawmakers from both chambers of parliament, focused on improving bilateral ties and regional cooperation.

    Bosnia's Presidency is made up of acting President Nebosja Radmanovic (Bosnian Serb), Bakir Izetbegovic (Bosniak), and Zeljko Komsic (Bosnian Croat).

    Relationships between the two former Yugoslav countries were scarred by the Bosnian war of the 1990s, during which Belgrade provided political and military support to Bosnia's Serbs.

    Hard-liners in Republika Srpska, the country's Serbian entity, have advocated their own institutions outside from Sarajevo's control and have even talked of secession.

    Tadic has been criticized for his support for Bosnian Serb leader Milorad Dodik, who has repeatedly evoked the possibility of breaking away from Sarajevo.

    But before reporters on July 6, Tadic called Bosnia-Herzegovina "sovereign and independent."

    "Serbia will never cross the red line that is defined by the international law, by the Dayton peace agreement, and by practice of good relations between neighboring countries, by meddling into affairs of neighboring countries -- sovereign and independent countries," he said. "We respect Bosnia-Herzegovina not only by words, but by political practice and our every gesture."

    Tadic's visit comes nearly two months after the landmark arrest of Ratko Mladic by Serbian authorities.

    The fugitive Bosnian Serb wartime general now faces genocide, war crimes, and other charges at the UN-backed International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague, Netherlands.

    Mladic is accused of orchestrating the 1992-95 siege of Sarajevo and the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, the largest massacre in Europe since World War II.

    An estimated 10,000 people were killed or disappeared during the siege of Sarajevo, and some 8,000 mainly Muslim men and boys were killed by Bosnian Serb troops during the Srebrenica massacre.

    Bosnia had long demanded that Serbia arrest Mladic, who was on the run for nearly 16 years.

    Tadic said he was proud to be hated by the Serbian ultranationalists who have decried Mladic's arrest if doing so helps interethnic reconciliation in the Balkans.

    "I would be very pleased if at the end of my political career many say that I am a traitor, as long as everyone lives well -- Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks -- and that we have built highways connecting all our countries," he said.

    Lingering Issues

    Despite Mladic's arrest, a number of unresolved issues still remain between Belgrade and Sarajevo that somewhat color bilateral relations.

    A Bosnian wartime army general, Jovo Divjak, was detained in Austria in March based on a Serbian arrest warrant. Belgrade accuses him of war crimes. Divjak, however, is considered a war hero by many in Bosnia.

    Divjak, a Bosnian Serb, served as a Bosnian general during the Sarajevo siege.

    Ilija Jurisic, a Bosnian Croat former police officer who is also viewed by many Bosnians as a war hero, was convicted last year to 12 years in prison in Belgrade after a court found him guilty of war crimes. But Jurisic was later pardoned by a higher court and his case is currently under review.

    Tadic on July 6 also pledged that Serbia would continue its hunt for Goran Hadzic, the Croatian Serb wartime political leader who is charged with crimes against humanity committed during Croatia's war of independence from Yugoslavia in the early 1990s.

    The capture of Mladic, as well as of Hadzic, have been considered key to furthering the country’s chances for integration into the European Union -- something that many in Bosnia are also striving for.

    Speaking alongside Tadic, the Serbian member of Bosnia's tripartite Presidency, Nebojsa Radmanovic, said both countries could find common ground in that area.

    "Our conclusion is to make huge steps towards the European Union as soon as possible, but it does not depend only on [Bosnia and Serbia]. It depends on the European Union as well," he said.
    It's obvious that lingering issues between the different parties aren't going to resolved overnight, and that they are not going to be the best of friends but this is a step in the right direction. Tadic, who is despised by the Serbian ultranationalists at home over the arrest of Mladic, should be congratulated for looking towards the future by helping to reconcile former enemies. What does everyone else think?
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    Shocking. Let's just say I don't like him nor his beloved "union". He bends over for satanists and muslims, but when it comes to tightening the relations with Holy Mother Russia, he's nowhere to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    Shocking. Let's just say I don't like him nor his beloved "union". He bends over for satanists and muslims, but when it comes to tightening the relations with Holy Mother Russia, he's nowhere to be seen.
    Could you give some examples of how he's bent over for Muslims, except of course not rounding them up and putting them into camps yet?

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    This is a good progression and I hope this keeps up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    Shocking. Let's just say I don't like him nor his beloved "union". He bends over for satanists and muslims,
    he should be killing them instead?

    but when it comes to tightening the relations with Holy Mother Russia, he's nowhere to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    Could you give some examples of how he's bent over for Muslims, except of course not rounding them up and putting them into camps yet?
    What camps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf View Post
    What camps?
    ...really?

    Are your genocide denial senses tingling? Well, it's a false alarm this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    ...really?

    Are your genocide denial senses tingling? Well, it's a false alarm this time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    ...really?

    Are your genocide denial senses tingling? Well, it's a false alarm this time.
    No serious. Show me the camps champ.
    "Mors Certa, Hora Incerta."

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    "The emperor Trajan, after conquering this country, divided it among his soldiers and made it into a Roman colony, so that these Romanians are descendants, as it is said, of these ancient colonists, and they preserve the name of the Romans." ~ 1532, Francesco della Valle Secretary of Aloisio Gritti, a natural son to Doge

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    Good.

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    I'll take that bet.

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    It's a good thing, the former YU republics have to have good and better than cordial relations with each other (except with that monstrosity called "independent Kosovo")! Plus Tadic was born in Sarajevo, let him see his native city which sadly thanks to the 1992-1995 Bosnian War is no longer the most multicultural city of the former YU.
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    oh god here we go again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    No, with satire on the own person's views, and I doubt that Pannonius is being hyperbolic. Like I said: anything short of herding Muslims into ghettos or murdering them en masse probably counts as bending over for them in his view.
    Can you quote him saying that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Faaip de Oiad View Post
    oh god here we go again....
    Run while you can. But send no help but there shall not be none received.
    "Mors Certa, Hora Incerta."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf View Post
    Can you quote him saying that?
    "Probably". Am I speaking Swahili? That's the second post of mine you've mis-read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    "Probably". Am I speaking Swahili? That's the second post of mine you've mis-read.
    So you made a pointless emotional comment.
    "Mors Certa, Hora Incerta."

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    Well, one thing is that he is trying to reconcile, but frankly, even that is somehow points down for him on homefront. Second thing is that he is Europhile, not a Euro-realist and therefore he will just crash and burn. Personally, I consider him a sellout too, just like for example Stipe Mesić.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpathian Wolf View Post
    So you made a pointless emotional comment.
    Pointless emotional comment? It was a parody on opinions expressed by Pannonius on the subject of Muslims before, and he still hasn't explained what bending over for Muslims means so I can only go on past experience and my own educated guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faaip de Oiad View Post
    oh god here we go again....
    Well, Political Mudpit is not for the fainthearted! And why "here we go again"?? It's a good thing that visit happened, Tadic was right to do it and the speech that he made at the BiH presidency was very good and looked to the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26 View Post
    Serbian President Boris Tadic has paid a rare official visit to Bosnia-Herzegovina in a bid to improve ties between Belgrade and Sarajevo that were severely damaged by the 1992-95 war.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia_.../24257472.html



    It's obvious that lingering issues between the different parties aren't going to resolved overnight, and that they are not going to be the best of friends but this is a step in the right direction. Tadic, who is despised by the Serbian ultranationalists at home over the arrest of Mladic, should be congratulated for looking towards the future by helping to reconcile former enemies. What does everyone else think?
    Any step taken towards reconciliation should be applauded. His trouble on the homefront should be a source of pride.

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