Archontopoulai/Kataphraktoi as Infantry?Possible?

**dannyalex** · July 03, 2011, 07:33 AM

hi,

I'm play with Byzantine Empire very much in the past years

and i wonder if is possible to 2 units,Archontopoulai and Kataphraktoi who are cavalry,to have them as infantry?

like Latinikon and Byzantine lancers who in infantry are Latinikon Knights(think) and Byzantine dismounted lancers

tip:the two units come from crusades expansion,and will really have them in the vanilla basic map and crusades also

Thanks

**Avetis** · July 03, 2011, 08:35 AM

Historically:
According to different sources there was no such infantry units...

**Moon** · July 03, 2011, 11:03 AM

Yep, course you can, just copy the relevant files and modify them if necessary.

**diez** · July 03, 2011, 12:03 PM

by vanilla no u cant hav em...the only heavy inf the byzies have are byzan inf,dism byzan lancers,dism latinkon,and varangians.
so no.maybe through modifing some files as the above said,but idont have an idea about these things.

**dannyalex** · July 04, 2011, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Avetis

Historically:
According to different sources there was no such infantry units...

and when they loose their horses ,they dont fight?

i know, but i desperate to have them

Originally Posted by Moon

Yep, course you can, just copy the relevant files and modify them if necessary.

Originally Posted by diez

so no.maybe through modifing some files as the above said,but idont have an idea about these things.

And how in earth i do that?any guide?

**Moon** · July 04, 2011, 08:35 AM

These will give you all the information you require.
Be a Modder: Doctoring of Medieval 2 units
How to create a dismounted knight
How to edit M2TW MESH
M2TW: How-To: Add other faction units for new factions
How To Make New Units
How to add a new unit into game

**dannyalex** · July 04, 2011, 09:19 AM

any link about convert Cavalry to Infantry ,without delete the exist cavarly?

**Moon** · July 04, 2011, 12:33 PM

That would be the How to create a dismounted knight link

**dannyalex** · July 04, 2011, 02:46 PM

oups lol,they havent apply to me and beside i want only to dismount the exist unit from cavalry to infantry

**Moon** · July 04, 2011, 03:37 PM

Study the difference between the mounted unit and it's dismounted version, using the first meshes only, the only difference between them are the different name and the mesh files. That is till you look at the animation section, (the red section)that is where the real difference is, it describes which weapons it carries, shield if applicable, and whether it's mounted or unmounted.
The BMDB entries.

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The EDU entries.

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Code:

type             Mounted Longbowmen
dictionary       Mounted_Longbowmen      ; Mounted Longbowmen
category         cavalry
class            missile
voice_type       Light
banner faction   main_cavalry
banner holy      crusade_cavalry
soldier          Mounted_Longbowmen, 32, 0, 1
mount            pony
mount_effect     elephant -4, camel -4
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, cantabrian_circle, no_custom
formation        2, 4.4, 3, 6, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         7, 2, cav_bodkin_arrow, 120, 25, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 25, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    ap
stat_sec         8, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  5, 5, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex   5, 6, 8, 0, 5, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, -2, -4, 0
stat_mental      5, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 45
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 770, 210, 100, 75, 770, 4, 190
armour_ug_levels 2, 3, 4
armour_ug_models Mounted_Longbowmen, Mounted_Longbowmen_ug1, Mounted_Longbowmen_ug2
ownership        england
;unit_info        8, 7, 10
type             Dismounted Longbowmen
dictionary       Dismounted_Longbowmen      ; Retinue Longbowmen
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Light
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          Dismounted_Longbowmen, 48, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, stakes, stakes
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 2, bodkin_arrow, 160, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 25, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    ap
stat_sec         11, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  5, 6, 3, metal
;stat_armour_ex   5, 6, 8, 0, 6, 3, 3, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental      5, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 710, 150, 75, 55, 710, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 2, 3, 4
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Longbowmen, Dismounted_Longbowmen_ug1, Dismounted_Longbowmen_ug2
ownership        england
era 2            england
;unit_info        11, 8, 14

**dannyalex** · August 05, 2011, 01:42 AM

no need to answer ,i find that Byzantine dismounted lancers with kataphract armour upgreat is the same kataphracts cavalry unit

**Aeratus** · August 07, 2011, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by dannyalex

no need to answer ,i find that Byzantine dismounted lancers with kataphract armour upgreat is the same kataphracts cavalry unit

Basically. Apparently...

Dismounted Byzantine Lancers (with silver armor) = "Dismounted" Archontopoulai

Dismounted Byzantine Lancers (with gold armor) = "Dismounted" Archontopoulai (with bronze armor)