Whats a strong allrounder faction?

[Sloty]

Should have:
1.Decent spears
2.Good heavy Inf
3.Some good archers
4.Decent javs
5.Horsearchers

[eXistenZ]

don't think there is a faction like that, horse archers/javelins ussually exclude heavy infantry. which is good too, there has to be some balance. every faction has it strong point, which makes it fun to play. Besides, you cant recruit the top units not at the start anyway, and that goes for all factions

for to be an allround faction you also need to consider the campaign. strong units are useless if you cant afford them. Try egypt, they are pretty nice to plzy.

[danny X]

spain is probably the closest your get, except you would have to make do with jinetes instead of horse archers and crossbows instead of archers!

on second thought, the turks have all that, although their javelinmen aren't as good as spains

[Aymer de Valence]

try the Byzantines?

[The Kybrothilian]

Holy Roman Empire should be the closest call possible.

[Sloty]

Okay so if its not possible to get all that,what faction has strong ranged troops(either horsed or not)
And reliable Infantry?
I dont want to play England again,its just too easy.

[Re_Minder]

Okay so if its not possible to get all that,what faction has strong ranged troops(either horsed or not)
And reliable Infantry?
I dont want to play England again,its just too easy.

Milan or Venice. Venice has stronger late game troops while Milan has uber crossbowmen that are available early on.

[Aeratus]

Poland

1.Decent spears [Dismounted Polish Nobles]
2.Good heavy Inf [Dismounted Polish Knight]
3.Some good archers [Lithuanian Archers]
4.Decent javs [Polish Nobles]
5.Horsearchers [Stretlzy]

Turks

1.Decent spears [Saracen Militia]
2.Good heavy Inf [Hashashim]
3.Some good archers [Ottoman Infantry/Janissary Archer]
4.Decent javs [Turkish Javlinmen/Naffatun]
5.Horsearchers [Spahi]

Spain

1.Decent spears [Tercio]
2.Good heavy Inf [Dismounted Chiv Knight/Dismounted Conquistadores]
3.Some good archers [Pavisse Crossbowmen]
4.Decent javs [Almughavar/Jinetes]
5.Horsearchers [Mounted Crossbowmen/Jinetes]

[Silverheart]

Should have:
1.Decent spears
2.Good heavy Inf
3.Some good archers
4.Decent javs
5.Horsearchers

1. England, France, HRE, Hungary, Italians, Egypt, Turks.
2. Catholics and Orthodox. All of them. Muslims are a little lacking, but makes up for it.
3. England, France, Italians, Orthodox, Muslims.
4. Spain, Portugal, Poland, Russia.
5. Orthodox, Muslims, Poland, Hungary, Spain, France.

Conclusion from a logical point of view: France.
Conclusion from my personal gaming point of view: Venice, France and England.
Conclusion from a quick check in the game: HRE, France and Venice.

So, yeah, try France, I´d say - they´re actually pretty fun to play, and make for exciting campaigns with many enemies in multi-front wars.

[... where did it run?]

France. Except for javs it has everything. Armor piercing HA? Yes, please. With Lancers, French HA and Scots guard I don't even bother with infantry. Alltough DFK's are tough

[13lackGu4rd]

do we really need another 1 of these threads...? there are already plenty of strongest/weakest faction threads around here already... as for the OP, no faction has all of your criteria. Russia is missing heavy spears, the high powered Catholics(France, HRE, England) are missing Javelins and Horse Archers, etc. for some reason you completely ignored heavy cavalry(the most important part Imho), who knows why. anyway, I actually think Poland is the closest, with Polish Nobles being solid spear units that replace the usual Armored Spearmen/Italian Spear Militia. Lithuanian Archers, while not really elite, do have the plant stakes ability. mounted crossbowmen(Sterlitzky, however they spell it) being your horse archers and Polish Nobles being your Jav Cav. I think they have access to the generic Chivalric Knights for heavy infantry, so that'll make it as close as possible to having everything you asked for. also they have superb cavalry too, so that's another plus which you ignored.

[Aeratus]

If Naffatun counts as Javelins (I mean in terms of range, they're similar), Turks fit all of those criteria.

[PrestigeX]

Obviously it is Mother Russia

spears -- spearman - good enough, upgrades to heavy mail

Infantry -- dismounted druchiza, dismounted boyar sons, dismounted dvor - all armed with axes.

Archers -- Dismounted Dvor -- wearing heavy armor, has an axe for close combat and is VERY Good at close quarters, and has stats that rival the other FEW elite archers of the game.

JAvelin -- Boyar Sons -- well armored, medium price, and have AXES for close combat which is immensely good taking down enemy cav.

Horse ARchers --- DVOR anyone? A heavy horse archer that can be used in melee in earnest - not to mention the cheap, fast, and plentiful Kazaks, and later on the COSSACKS who are really really good.


It can be challenging to get russia going in the early period, but once they start developing they may actually have the best army in the game (Behind Timurids/Mongols)

[Pinky333]

Ya russia is roughhhh. Gotta take out poland asap and hope mongols dont spam on you. Tims arnt as bad. But mongols come to soon and most of the time you havnt been able to upgrade quick enough. But yes russia is prolly the strongest.

[Aeratus]

Obviously it is Mother Russia

spears -- spearman - good enough, upgrades to heavy mail

Infantry -- dismounted druchiza, dismounted boyar sons, dismounted dvor - all armed with axes.

Archers -- Dismounted Dvor -- wearing heavy armor, has an axe for close combat and is VERY Good at close quarters, and has stats that rival the other FEW elite archers of the game.

JAvelin -- Boyar Sons -- well armored, medium price, and have AXES for close combat which is immensely good taking down enemy cav.

Horse ARchers --- DVOR anyone? A heavy horse archer that can be used in melee in earnest - not to mention the cheap, fast, and plentiful Kazaks, and later on the COSSACKS who are really really good

Russia isn't well rounded, though. Their spearmen are lackluster compared to saracen militia (only 60 men, have much lower stats, and requires castles), and their fake dismounted huskarls don't match up to top infantry like DCK and Hashashim.

[... where did it run?]

Russia isn't well rounded, though. Their spearmen are lackluster compared to saracen militia (only 60 men, have much lower stats, and requires castles), and their fake dismounted huskarls don't match up to top infantry like DCK and Hashashim.

Their spearmen, then upgraded are just the same like armoured seargants. And for cheaper upkeep cost.

Those fake huscarls has also just the same stats like regular huscarls. While they aren't the best infantry out there, you can upkeep 3 of them for the same amount you would upkeep 2 dism knights. Also, in hight period you get dism Dvors, which are same huscarls just with 11 missile attack (and a bit higher upkeep cost)

[eXistenZ]

thats true, russia is a lot of fun

[Eliah]

Well, considering I conquered the entire world with Spain at one point, I would have to say Spain. Although I did take a particular liking to the Kingdom of Jerusalem with their cavalry and (I thought) strategic location. I swept through to the north and south, and came around through Europe basically encircling the Mediterranean Sea.

[skofuz]

Should have:
1.Decent spears
2.Good heavy Inf
3.Some good archers
4.Decent javs
5.Horsearchers

France is a very, very powerful nation that has all the things you want except Javelin Throwers.

1. Pikemen are good, you don't need elite pikemen like Aventuros or Tercio Pikemen.
2. Dismounted Feudal Knights and Dismounted Noble Knights are very powerful infantry. DFK are probably the best overall unit, use DNK to attack from the flanks.
3. You can recruit a very powerful longbow unit called Scots Guard from Huge Cities I belive. France also get the best crossbow unit in the game, Aventurier.
4. Sorry, no javelins.
5. You can recruit very good horse archers from Huge Cities.

I noticed you didn't list heavy cav as a requirement but it's worth mentioning that France also sports the best heavy cav available in the game.

[eXistenZ]

Install Retrofit mod, adds more units to the game