The Trinity

[Richard the Lionheart]

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So how can God sit at the right hand of himself?

[Ummon]

So how can God sit at the right hand of himself?

Have you ever talked to yourself H&G?

[Richard the Lionheart]

Have you ever talked to yourself H&G?

Hehe. That's an interesting way to put it.

But it still doesn't make much sense.

[MasterAdnin]

Have you ever talked to yourself H&G?

Many have said it, and I will say it again. This is a very interesting way to put it. Jesus spoke to God for answers, and we do not consult ourselves for all the answers, for we do not know all. We refer to other things such as texts, and such, and this is one of the reasons why Christianity does not make much sense to me, and apparently it does not to Honor&Glory either.

Adnan

[Ummon]

Do you concur that human beings have been created in the likeness of God?

[Richard the Lionheart]

Do you concur that human beings have been created in the likeness of God?

That's different. Jesus is part of the Trinity. Other humans are not.

[Ummon]

Tsk Tsk, that's not what I meant.

Human mind is in truth composed of many semi-independent parts. According to many theories, just about three...

[Ecclesiastes]

So how can God sit at the right hand of himself?

Jesus is another person then God but still has devinity in himself.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Jesus is another person then God but still has devinity in himself.

But I thought all the Trinity was One.

[Ecclesiastes]

But I thought all the Trinity was One.

They all have divinity in them. That's what makes them as one. They are however different persons/beings.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

The Bible is full of metaphors, people. The Trinity should not be seen as three people. The trinity is one - as God is benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient.

Do you concur that human beings have been created in the likeness of God?

Many have said that the first book of the OT - Genesis - is a metaphor. No serpent, no Eden. If you look at it in a less literal sense, it makes quite a lot of sense and it corresponds to the human world. If you look at it literally, God made man in 'the image of Himself'. If you look at it metaphorically, God made man by striving to perfection. Man is like God, but God and man are not literally alike.

Have you ever talked to yourself H&G?

This really is interesting. Was Jesus really a part of the Trinity? If so, he should never have doubted God's (his own) intentions. Therefore, I conclude that he was not a part of the Trinity, he was the Son of Man - not necessarily the Son of God. (only IMO)

[Blaven]

I remember reading this one short story from some Hispanic author. It was about the final hours of Jesus' life, but it took an interesting twist: Judas was the real messiah. Judas knew that he had to turn Jesus in, so that everything would fall into place, and he knew that he would forever be the most hated man in history. But he still did it to carry out God's divine plan. Or something.

[Ummon]

I remember reading this one short story from some Hispanic author. It was about the final hours of Jesus' life, but it took an interesting twist: Judas was the real messiah. Judas knew that he had to turn Jesus in, so that everything would fall into place, and he knew that he would forever be the most hated man in history. But he still did it to carry out God's divine plan. Or something.

This is a known heretical belief. Infact, it is one of the reasons why Islam suggests Jesus didn't die on the cross, but instead one sosia-double-clone died instead of him.

The doubt is based on the fact that there may be two apostles named Thomas. One is Thomas Didymos (which means twin in ancient greek). It has been suggested that the Judas name was infact invented to cover Jesus's own twin, who was named Thomas.

Besides, the sacrificial lamb (Jesus's own symbol) was double in itself: one lamb sacrificed to God, and one to Azazel (Satan).

One complicated discussion short, interesting, but not quite likely.

[Richard the Lionheart]

They all have divinity in them. That's what makes them as one. They are however different persons/beings.

But look at this diagram:

This is a known heretical belief. Infact, it is one of the reasons why Islam suggests Jesus didn't die on the cross, but instead one sosia-double-clone died instead of him.

Islam says that Judas was crucified because he betrayed Jesus and that Jesus was raised to heaven unharmed.

[Ummon]

But look at this diagram:

And infact:

The Ego is part of the Self
The Unconscious is part of the Self
Self-Objects (the idealized self-object in particular - according to Kohut - which is somewhat of an analogue of the SuperEgo) are part of the Self

The Self is composed of them all

The Ego though is not the SuperEgo, nor the Unconscious, and all possible commutations.

Interesting besides, how multiple personalities is akin to a form of lesser demonic possession. It all fits in place...

This really is interesting. Was Jesus really a part of the Trinity? If so, he should never have doubted God's (his own) intentions. Therefore, I conclude that he was not a part of the Trinity, he was the Son of Man - not necessarily the Son of God. (only IMO)

Don't you ever doubt of yourself in pain and defeat? Do you have control of your dreams? Etc.

[Ecclesiastes]

Doesn't that diagram exactly depict what I am saying?

[Richard the Lionheart]

So then isn't the Trinity infact One? That is to say, aren't all members of the Trinity...God?

[Ummon]

The paradox stems from the fact that God is omnipotent, while human beings are creatures.

Thus: all members of the Trinity are God (infinite which contains itself), or more correctly, God is all members of the Trinity. Notice infact that the verb is should IMHO go from God to the parts, and not exactly vice-versa.

But all parts of the human Self are not the Self.

Many have said that the first book of the OT - Genesis - is a metaphor. No serpent, no Eden. If you look at it in a less literal sense, it makes quite a lot of sense and it corresponds to the human world. If you look at it literally, God made man in 'the image of Himself'. If you look at it metaphorically, God made man by striving to perfection. Man is like God, but God and man are not literally alike.

In truth, I don't see this working.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

In truth, I don't see this working.

Oh, great patrician, how do you not see this working? Let me make my own diagram...

Trinity = God
God = Jesus
God - Man
God - Trinity

(= is, - is not)

Well, I just confused myself. Time to go to the insane asylum.

[Richard the Lionheart]

The diagram is rather contradicting:

1)There are three seperate Gods. Because the individual members of the Trinity are not the same as each other.
2)There are not three seperate Gods. All members of the Trinity are God.

So if all the members of the Trinity are God then how are they not equal?