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    The sexual assault case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn is on the verge of collapse as investigators have uncovered major holes in the credibility of the housekeeper who charged that he attacked her in his Manhattan hotel suite in May

    Since her initial allegation on May 14, the accuser has repeatedly lied, one of the law enforcement officials said.

    They also learned that she was paying hundreds of dollars every month in phone charges to five different companies. The woman insisted she only had a single phone and said she knew nothing about the deposits except that they were made by a man she described as her fiancé and his friends.

    In addition, the official said, she told investigators that part of her application for asylum included a previous rape, but there was no such account in the application. She also told them that she had been subjected to genital mutilation, but her account to the investigators differed from what was contained in the asylum application.


    A lawyer for the woman, Kenneth Thompson, could not be immediately reached for comment on Thursday evening.


    In recent weeks, Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s lawyers, Benjamin Brafman and William W. Taylor III, have made clear that they would make the credibility of the woman a focus of their case. In a May 25 letter they said that they had uncovered information that would “gravely undermine the credibility” of the housekeeper.
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    What do you guys think? I always knew it was a setup, the media gives it away on how they depicted the story.

    On another note; his wife seems to believe it is a fabricated accusation:
    Soon after the allegations were made, Sinclair made a statement and said that she did not believe “for one second” that the charges had any merit whatsoever.
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    Sounds like the rich important man gets what rich important men get as punishment for their crimes. Nothing.

    Whose to believe the victim, this woman a housekeeper, over this powerful person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Sounds like the rich important man gets what rich important men get as punishment for their crimes. Nothing.

    Whose to believe the victim, this woman a housekeeper, over this powerful person.
    She's an american poor person no? suing someone is a legitimate atempt at richness in your country no? Like how you play lotery, you americans when you want to get rich can just go: hm mayby I'll sue someone today!

    It sounds to me like another case of a poor American getting the get rich easy through abusing the legal system itches

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    She's an american poor person no? suing someone is a legitimate atempt at richness in your country no? Like how you play lotery, you americans when you want to get rich can just go: hm mayby I'll sue someone today!
    Yes, all Americans just decide to say, " it, I'm gonna try to win the lottery today!" or "I feel like suing someone!" Yes, there are s who try to manipulate the system, but there are those of us who don't like being complete wastes of society as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    She's an american poor person no? suing someone is a legitimate atempt at richness in your country no? Like how you play lotery, you americans when you want to get rich can just go: hm mayby I'll sue someone today!

    It sounds to me like another case of a poor American getting the get rich easy through abusing the legal system itches
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    She's an american poor person no? suing someone is a legitimate atempt at richness in your country no? Like how you play lotery, you americans when you want to get rich can just go: hm mayby I'll sue someone today!

    It sounds to me like another case of a poor American getting the get rich easy through abusing the legal system itches
    see my post above. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I suggest you actually pick up a book on American legal system before using one or two cases to generalize a very complicated legal structure. Try abuse the legal system in the US by filing some silly lawsuits, you will get spanked by rule 12(b)(6) in a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Sounds like the rich important man gets what rich important men get as punishment for their crimes. Nothing.

    Whose to believe the victim, this woman a housekeeper, over this powerful person.
    But how do you know whether he is guilty or not? Allegations are easy to make, very hard to disprove.

    This alleged victim speaks on a telephone call in her native dialect, and it gets translated:

    Investigators with the Manhattan district attorney’s office learned the call had been recorded and had it translated from a “unique dialect of Fulani,” a language from the woman’s native country, Guinea, according to a well-placed law enforcement official.



    When the conversation was translated — a job completed only this Wednesday — investigators were alarmed: “She says words to the effect of, ‘Don’t worry, this guy has a lot of money. I know what I’m doing,’ ” the official said.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/02/ny...ef=global-home

    The oldest motive for a false accusation there is - money. And from her own mouth.

    Whether you believe this or not, it shreds the Prosecution's case, which is why DSK has now been granted bail.

    The woman is also a habitual proven liar as the article sets out. I'd absolutely shred her on the stand if it was me doing the defence case, as whomever this law is. If was the DA, I'd drop the case.

    The rush to judgment without having the facts is pretty disappointing.
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    Strauss-Kahn must ve hired some damn good lawyers....
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    First off let me state that I don't like Strauss-Kahn - at all.

    But, I found it insane that he was forced to resign from his position in the IMF based on an allegation that hasn't gone anywhere near a courtroom yet.

    Innocent until proven guilty apparently is a worthless statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    Strauss-Kahn must ve hired some damn good lawyers....
    Well, considering that apparently this informatino was not presented by his lawyers... Not relevant to revelation though I am certain his lawyers are best he could buy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwaz View Post
    Well, considering that apparently this informatino was not presented by his lawyers... Not relevant to revelation though I am certain his lawyers are best he could buy.
    it is not as simple as that. Defense lawyers are smarter than that. They will let the state figure this out on their own by putting constant pressures on the state with questions about the accuser's crediblity. What happens then is that the state will carefully check everything about the accuser to make sure the Defense lawyers won't poke some big holes on the credibity of the accuser if she is put on the stand in front of a jury. Of course, during this process, all these crediblity issues are discovered. That's experienced litigation strategy right here --- forcing the other side to do the work for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Litoralis View Post
    As a lawyer, I can tell you what happened. (1) Assistant DA saw the police report and recognized the name Strauss-Kahn... (2) ADA jizzes himself with excitement about finally getting to put someone in prison who is not a crack dealer; (3) ADA realizes he will also get his name in the paper and basically make his career and he can transition to a big law firm and make bank ($450k-700k a year) as a defense attorney; (4) ADA doesn't really have all the evidence but he thinks it is worth the risk to go ahead and pick up Strauss-Kahn at the airport before he leaves the US; (5) ADA gets even more excited when he thinks about how he can get a jury of American bigots to basically burn this foreign ; (6) ADA sees that there is not actually evidence against Strauss-Kahn; (7) ADA says "#%*$(#*$(*%*(#$*$*$" and realizes his whole career is now ed unless he comes up with fabricated evidence to make this work, but the ADA is too ethical and just lets the case drop; (8) ADA does the right thing and lets the case drop
    the DNA evidence is actually pretty solid that DSK had some sort of sexual contact with the maid. The problem now is the maid will get slaughtered on the witness stand by the defense lawyer with all these questions about her credibility. I haven't taken Evidence class yet so I am not sure how much of these admissible in court. But it certainly doesn't look good for the state here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    it is not as simple as that. Defense lawyers are smarter than that. They will let the state figure this out on their own by putting constant pressures on the state with questions about the accuser's crediblity. What happens then is that the state will carefully check everything about the accuser to make sure the Defense lawyers won't poke some big holes on the credibity of the accuser if she is put on the stand in front of a jury. Of course, during this process, all these crediblity issues are discovered. That's experienced litigation strategy right here --- forcing the other side to do the work for you.
    Except those lawyers still can't make investigators to discover something which is not there. And it should be their job to look for every and any information related to case anyway, so if there needs to be pressure by lawyers it is rather sign that system does not work if investigators are prepared to call it quits without investigating thoroughly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwaz View Post
    Except those lawyers still can't make investigators to discover something which is not there.
    The crediblity of witness wouldn't be an issue if the defense lawyers haven't focused their attack there. The wise strategy here by the lawyers is to have the prosecution focus on the victim herself, rather than DSK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwaz View Post
    And it should be their job to look for every and any information related to case anyway, so if there needs to be pressure by lawyers it is rather sign that system does not work if investigators are prepared to call it quits without investigating thoroughly.
    lol. What? So I guess there is no need for Defense lawyer in a "working" legal system to put pressure on the prosecution to make sure the witness is credible? Cross-examination exists in every legal system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    Strauss-Kahn must ve hired some damn good lawyers....
    It must take mad skill to hire prosecutors as defense, as they're the ones that found this, and told court about it, and agreed to lower bail.

    Also, the trial still goes forward at this moment, bail and bond reduced. About all he is short on is his passport.

    People should remember before rants of conspiracy to protect rich people go further is that he was arrested in such a quick manner due to the fact that he was on a plane leaving the country, the destination being a country that is known to not cooperate with similar extradition requests(granted for completely understandable reason on their part).
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    As a lawyer, I can tell you what happened. (1) Assistant DA saw the police report and recognized the name Strauss-Kahn... (2) ADA jizzes himself with excitement about finally getting to put someone in prison who is not a crack dealer; (3) ADA realizes he will also get his name in the paper and basically make his career and he can transition to a big law firm and make bank ($450k-700k a year) as a defense attorney; (4) ADA doesn't really have all the evidence but he thinks it is worth the risk to go ahead and pick up Strauss-Kahn at the airport before he leaves the US; (5) ADA gets even more excited when he thinks about how he can get a jury of American bigots to basically burn this foreign ; (6) ADA sees that there is not actually evidence against Strauss-Kahn; (7) ADA says "#%*$(#*$(*%*(#$*$*$" and realizes his whole career is now ed unless he comes up with fabricated evidence to make this work, but the ADA is too ethical and just lets the case drop; (8) ADA does the right thing and lets the case drop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litoralis View Post
    Assistant DA saw the police report and recognized the name Strauss-Kahn
    I highly doubt that anyone recognized that name. They would have had to dig a bit deeper to find out who he was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Litoralis View Post
    ADA jizzes himself with excitement about finally getting to put someone in prison who is not a crack dealer
    It's NY, not some backwater town. The actual issue right now in the bigger population centers is that more prosecutors are not taking the cases against drug dealers in order to focus on politicians and the like. Or that the investigative practices have taken such a nose dive that a lost of cases end up getting tossed, like this might.

    I'm amused at the righteous indignation coming from France considering this guy fits the mold of the overall sexist nature that France still operates under.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    People should remember before rants of conspiracy to protect rich people go further is that he was arrested in such a quick manner due to the fact that he was on a plane leaving the country, the destination being a country that is known to not cooperate with similar extradition requests(granted for completely understandable reason on their part).
    But he was handcuffed!!
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    like finding dna on someone is proof for rape. seems nigerian housekeepers also watch csi.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Most of those "suing for money" stories are BS or urban myths anyway.

    The most famous one is where a woman sues Starbucks for spilling a cup of coffee. What people neglect to mention is that the spilt coffee caused third degree burns and that coffee has no business being that hot.
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    ^exclusive rights to the story?!

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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Criminal case,
    DNA evidence: DNA on the uniform (spermatozoa)
    DSK allegedly forced her to give him oral sex.

    a)Is it physically possible for an unarmed man to force a woman to engage in oral sex?
    b) signs of forced sexual entry are absent.Women have teeth
    c) it seems that none of DSK or Diallo’s clothing is torn in any way.
    d) both accuser and accused’s fingernails are free of DNA evidence to connect them (strongly indicative of the sex having been consensual)
    e)while the woman told investigators that part of her application for asylum in the US was that she had previously been raped, on further investigation it emerged this was not true.

    http://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&source...Wtj1AqVSbNa5_A
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