Was Jesus crucifixion meant to be?

[Bwaho]

Was Jesus crucifixion meant to be?

Had God planned for Jesus to be prosecuted and crucified?

[David Deas]

Nope.

As far as I'm aware the whole thing was an experiment.

[Halie Satanus]

yes in order for jesus to die and be resurected, he had to suffer a momment of doubt which he did, crucifiction was the given punishment for sedition so the out come was never in doubt

and yes c4x was deliberate

sorry that dosnt leave much room for debate pehaps your question needs rephrasing

hmm
given that jesus was god incarnate (made flesh) and that crucifiction was such a terrible ordeal why did god put himself though such a death,

the crucifiction was a test of faith where the outcome was never in doubt, jesus is going to be reincarnated take on the sins of the world and be seated at the right hand of god,
man however has free will and so his faith questionable,god is telling us that even my own son had a moment of doubt but if you chose redemption eveythings gonna be alright(or was that bob marly)

jesus said "whoever so beliveth in me shall enter the kingdom of heaven " then under his breath he said
it is somewhat easier than becomeing a civitate at the twc

[Ardeur]

Indeed I'd say yes, it was meant to be. But it is also worth noting, that at anytime, both God and Jesus had the option of backing out of the plan, but they didn't.

[Turbo]

Was Jesus crucifixion meant to be?

Had God planned for Jesus to be prosecuted and crucified?

God had foreknowledge of the events to take place and promised the Chosen people a Messiah and a new covenant (agreement). It was man however that persecuted and crucified Christ. The crucifixion of Christ end the Old Testament Covenant and opened a new covenant in which salvation was offered to all people not just the Chosen.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Crucifiction or Crucifixion ? :original:

[Halie Satanus]

fact or fixtion :original:

[Bwaho]

Crucifiction or Crucifixion ?

crucifixion :original:

Indeed I'd say yes, it was meant to be.

God had foreknowledge of the events to take place

How does that work together with the free-will that God gave to humans?

If God had already decided the fate of jesus and decided how other people around him would act, then wouldn't that remove humans free-will and make their lives pre-determined?

[Halie Satanus]

crucifixion :original:
How does that work together with the free-will that God gave to humans?
If God had already decided the fate of jesus and decided how other people around him would act, then wouldn't that remove humans free-will and make their lives pre-determined?

im sure you know the story so im paraphrasing......
god didnt give man free will adam was tempted by eve with the apple which represented the freedom of choice when he bit into the apple he felt shame at his nakedness and had understanding of inderviduality,and so was born "satanism" and the cult of one,gods punishment was banishment from the garden of eden,jesus was our second shot at the title so to speak,
by taking on the original sin of individualty and self awareness he gave us the chance of redemption,

the trinity has been split to another thread but is still important here
jesus while flesh and bone was also a represensative of god on earth and
as such when accended to heaven is represensative of man in heaven,
the point goes back to mankinds creation and god stateing that man is his equal
this is the point that stuck in the craw of lucifer who up until then had been the most beloved of god he refused to kneel to man and vowed to prove god wrong,by saying that given the choice mankind will not serve god.
anyway ive got to go and watch the other god theirry henry (so i guess lucifer
was right)

[CaesarCS]

I'm no theologian, (though I play one on TV ) but it seems that there are some points missing here...

Humankind seperated itself from God by their sins, by doing so they seperated ALL OF CREATION from God. (Just a note, I don't have my Bible with me right now... later I can look up the relevant verses if anyone asks, nicely of course... ) Mankind was to act as a universal priesthood on behalf of all creation, but sin has destroyed that. That's why there is death, earthquakes, blah blah blah... Jesus, "...emptied himself of his divine glory and took on the form of a slave" (Philippians something or other, sorry, again no Bible) to restore what God had originally intended for His creation. Jesus was fully God, yet fully man, he did not enter into another body, but took on human flesh. He doubted because it is believed that he had a vision of the suffering he would have to go through to complete his mission. So when he said "Not my will but Thine." It was his human "side" that was answering, he was truly giving all of himself to ummm... bridge the gulf between man and God.

Well, don't know if that helps or just makes people more confused... By the way, I am a Roman Catholic of the Latin Rite if anyone is wondering about my particular beliefs.

[Turbo]

I'm no theologian, (though I play one on TV ) but it seems that there are some points missing here...

Humankind seperated itself from God by their sins, by doing so they seperated ALL OF CREATION from God. (Just a note, I don't have my Bible with me right now... later I can look up the relevant verses if anyone asks, nicely of course... ) Mankind was to act as a universal priesthood on behalf of all creation, but sin has destroyed that. That's why there is death, earthquakes, blah blah blah... Jesus, "...emptied himself of his divine glory and took on the form of a slave" (Philippians something or other, sorry, again no Bible) to restore what God had originally intended for His creation. Jesus was fully God, yet fully man, he did not enter into another body, but took on human flesh. He doubted because it is believed that he had a vision of the suffering he would have to go through to complete his mission. So when he said "Not my will but Thine." It was his human "side" that was answering, he was truly giving all of himself to ummm... bridge the gulf between man and God.

Well, don't know if that helps or just makes people more confused... By the way, I am a Roman Catholic of the Latin Rite if anyone is wondering about my particular beliefs.

Actually that is quite clearly said. Thanks for elaborating on it. It nicely fills in some holes.

[Ahlerich]

well i guess nobody knows that. we dont even know what gods powers are. may hes just playing a black&white game.
maybe he has a long term plan or maybe he just reacts on what we do with our free will or he just doesnt care...and oh behave..maybe he doesnt exist as a "being" just as an idea..a parable of ethic and moral

[solid]

I'm not religious but pretending I am I'll answer your question


A death like this has given Jezus a more memorable death then some kind of disease which wouldn't really suit the reincarnation of God, (though thats just my opinion) on the other hand there were alot who suffered and died painfully in name of God who aren't called a messiah( "just" Saints), and if Jezus wasn't crucified, he would have had more influence, because if he lived longer. I think that God didn't mean for Jezus to die like that or at least not so soon.


Anyway, because I'm not religious I will automaticly say no, though pretending I'm religious I would say the same.

[Richard the Lionheart]

I have a question:

If Jesus was supposed to be God in human form, then why was it that Jesus kept saying that he would sit at the right hand of God? So God would sit at the right hand of himself?

[Ecclesiastes]

I have a question:

If Jesus was supposed to be God in human form, then why was it that Jesus kept saying that he would sit at the right hand of God? So God would sit at the right hand of himself?

Jesus is God's word in flesh. Bring the holy spirit along and you have the three-unity. They are 1 but also 3. So Jesus is another person then God but is God aswell. Contradicting you say, I know.

[Ahlerich]

Jesus is God's word in flesh. Bring the holy spirit along and you have the three-unity. They are 1 but also 3. So Jesus is another person then God but is God aswell. Contradicting you say, I know.

now i get why the christians had trouble advertising their religion and the three-unity.
in ireland the last pagan king has been converted by using a clay leaf to explain the 3 unity.

i guess its like putting a german lager a guiness and a budweiser-coldpee in a pint.

they are three diferent ones but they are one now. and you can only consume them all together..or just spill them together...and if you dont drink it you burn in hell

[Turbo]

Jesus is God's word in flesh. Bring the holy spirit along and you have the three-unity. They are 1 but also 3. So Jesus is another person then God but is God aswell. Contradicting you say, I know.

Very good reply. You beat me to it.

[Ahlerich]

maybe jesus was paranoid or had shizo issues? or noooo it is a trick of the devil!!!

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

The crucifiction was meant to show the world that Satan is mightier than any other force or being. Evil won. Atleast that's what a Satanist would say.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

The crucifiction was meant to show the world that Satan is mightier than any other force or being. Evil won. Atleast that's what a Satanist would say.

The crucifiction showed that God really cared and still took notice of Earth. It showed a new path that separated Jews and Christians.