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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ecognised.html

    The US could withdraw funding from the United Nations if its members decide to recognise and independent Palestinian state, a close ally of President Barack Obama has warned.

    Susan Rice, the American ambassador to the UN, said there was "no greater threat" to US support and funding of the UN than the prospect of Palestinian statehood being endorsed by member states. Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian authority, plans to ask the UN general assembly, which comprises all 192 members, to vote on recognition at its annual meeting in New York in September. The US and Israel are pressing Mr Abbas to drop his plans. Mr Obama has strongly opposed the move, raising the prospect of a veto in the UN Security Council, which is expected to vote on a Palestinian statehood proposal in July. But Palestinian officials have spoken of their determination to a circumvent a US veto by deploying a rarely used Cold War mechanism known as "Uniting for Peace" under which a two-thirds majority in the General Assembly can override the Security Council.

    Although Palestinians believe they are close to securing such a majority, the General Assembly does not have the power to confer UN membership on a new Palestinian state, meaning that a successful vote would represent little more than a symbolic triumph. Even so, Republicans in the US Congress are promising to react aggressively to any approval of statehood. Two congressmen have already vowed to initiate bills to withdraw UN funding in the House of Representatives. Such a development could be devastating to the UN. The US provides almost a quarter of its $2.5 billion (£1.6 billion) annual budget, making a yearly contribution of almost $600 million (£375 million). Speaking at an event in Washington, Miss Rice said the Obama administration was devoting "extraordinary efforts and energy" to restarting middle-eastern peace talks so that a vote in September could be avoided. On the prospect of it being approved, she said: "This would be exceedingly politically damaging in our domestic context, as you can well imagine. "And I cannot frankly think of a greater threat to our ability to maintain financial and political support for the United Nations in Congress than such an outcome". A video of Miss Rice making the comments has been removed from the internet. Attempting to play down their significance, a spokesman for the ambassador said: "These were informal remarks in a domestic setting."

    The US is desperate to avoid being put into a position of having to wield its veto. With growing international support for Palestinian statehood, even in Europe, the US is looking increasingly isolated in its support for Israel and a veto would badly damage Mr Obama's credentials in a rapidly changing Middle East. But the president faces a politically damaging backlash from the pro-Israeli lobby and its many supporters in Congress if he does not block a resolution, a move that could also cost all-important Jewish votes in key swing states like Florida during next year's presidential election. Mr Obama has already angered the Israeli government and its US supporters by calling for a Palestinian state that roughly corresponds to the existing boundaries of the West Bank and Gaza, which Israel occupied after the Six Day war of 1967. The move was intended to rejuvenate the stalled Middle East peace process. But Palestinian officials, in public at least, say they remain committed to a UN vote as the only realistic way of breaking the deadlock.

    Western powers have backed a two-year Palestinian state-building programme that reaches fruition at the end of August. It has already been judged a success by the World Bank and International Monetary Fund and Palestinian officials say it would be hypocritical for the West to back the state-building exercise but not its "logical outcome". Britain has indicated that it would not join the US in vetoing Palestinian statehood in the Security Council. But David Cameron is also hoping to avert a highly divisive vote in the general assembly. "The question is whether we can do anything that might deflect the Palestinians from going ahead with this," a British diplomatic source said. Some Palestinian officials have conceded in private that they do not want to fall out with Mr Obama and are working on ways to resume peace talks with Israel and postpone a statehood vote.
    So because the US doesn't feel it can veto this vote for political reasons it is going to instead try and blackmail the assembly into doing what it wants? Great stuff.

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    Headline is very misleading imo.

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    UN is a joke, the majority of its members are just dictatorships, theocracies and third world failed states. For what I care the UN can die on its own. And recognizing the Palestinian state is like recognizing an organization of terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    UN is a joke, the majority of its members are just dictatorships, theocracies and third world failed states. For what I care the UN can die on its own. And recognizing the Palestinian state is like recognizing an organization of terrorists.
    and i dont get it if there reconized doesnt that mean peace ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gittany View Post
    i dont get it if there reconized doesnt that mean peace ?
    Because Hamas and Fatah terrorists are peace lovers.
    Last edited by Darth Red; June 29, 2011 at 11:51 AM. Reason: continuity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    Because Hamas and Fatah terrorists are peace lovers.
    hamas ok but fatah? how are they terrorist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gittany View Post
    hamas ok but fatah? how are they terrorist?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa...rs%27_Brigades
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    Quote Originally Posted by gittany View Post
    hamas ok but fatah? how are they terrorist?
    More like collaborators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gittany View Post
    i dont get it if there reconized doesnt that mean peace ?
    No dude. It means they will receive confirmation to set up a state on 1967 borders without even saying a word to the Israeli side. Those who sit in the West Bank will be forced to either copy the entire county into Israel (which will create a lack of space for residence) or be forced to become a part of the Palestinian country, which... doesn't like Israelis, to say the least.

    It's gonna create a lot of mess and will probably end up with Israel retracting all of its infrastructures from the West Bank, which means that it will turn back into a lifeless, inhabitable desert in about 0.8 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome101 View Post
    No dude. It means they will receive confirmation to set up a state on 1967 borders without even saying a word to the Israeli side. Those who sit in the West Bank will be forced to either copy the entire county into Israel (which will create a lack of space for residence) or be forced to become a part of the Palestinian country, which... doesn't like Israelis, to say the least.

    It's gonna create a lot of mess and will probably end up with Israel retracting all of its infrastructures from the West Bank, which means that it will turn back into a lifeless, inhabitable desert in about 0.8 seconds.
    why dont they get west bank , gaza and a bit of the north to connect them or isnt that a good idea?

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    There are talks within the government on asking the Palestinians to start negotiations without any preconditions. We'll wait and see. Last month they ignored the suggestion to enter peace talks immediately with only one precondition, and that is the acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist.
    I hope this time they'll accept the offer.
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    There is a general sense in the region and beyond that the intransigence of the Israeli government is to blame for failed peace talks, as well as disappointment with President Barack Obama for failing to move Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    This was reflected most harshly by the former Saudi intelligence chief and US ambassador, Turki al-Faisal. Writing in the Washington Post he warned of "disastrous consequences" for US-Saudi relations if Washington exercised its veto.

    Alongside support from UN member states, the Palestinian Authority is promising mass demonstrations in the streets.

    "Our strategy is to cross the two-thirds majority and to knock with force on the door of the Security Council to see if anyone stands against this," says Mr Mansour.

    "If hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are in the streets for weeks before D-day in September… supported by millions of Arabs in Arab capitals… what would be the argument of President Barack Obama in trying to disregard this wish?"
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13939076 Why would the USA want to become the enemy of the UN and international country's for 7million people in Israel?Especially when Obama tried to get BIBI to go to the peace table and BIBI jumped down his neck and shunned his efforts.Even Saudi Arabia is threatening the USA here as they know the people they lord over in Bahrain and Yemen on the warpath
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom cruise View Post
    Why would the USA want to become the enemy of the UN and international country's for 7million people in Israel?Especially when Obama tried to get BIBI to go to the peace table and BIBI jumped down his neck and shunned his efforts.Even Saudi Arabia is threatening the USA here as they know the people they lord over in Bahrain and Yemen on the warpath
    Maybe because the world gets a better return on its "investment" in Israel then it does in the whole Arab world combined?

    I'm not sure how true this is but apparently more scientific articles are published in Israel per year than in the entire Arab world combined. Furthermore, Israel is the only free democracy where everyone has equality before the law regardless of sex or religion in the Middle East. It should be encouraged as a bulwark against extremism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.Chrysostomos View Post
    Maybe because the world gets a better return on its "investment" in Israel then it does in the whole Arab world combined?

    I'm not sure how true this is but apparently more scientific articles are published in Israel per year than in the entire Arab world combined. Furthermore, Israel is the only free democracy where everyone has equality before the law regardless of sex or religion in the Middle East. It should be encouraged as a bulwark against extremism.
    £10 says someone takes issue with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.Chrysostomos View Post
    Maybe because the world gets a better return on its "investment" in Israel then it does in the whole Arab world combined?

    I'm not sure how true this is but apparently more scientific articles are published in Israel per year than in the entire Arab world combined. Furthermore, Israel is the only free democracy where everyone has equality before the law regardless of sex or religion in the Middle East. It should be encouraged as a bulwark against extremism.
    Yup, great point, If a single pro-Palestinian westerner actually went to an Arab state (especially if said person believed in sexual equality, was a woman, or a homosexual), and then immediately went to Israel to compare standards of living and civil liberties, such a person would instantly renounce their pro-Palestinian sentiments.

    I have said exactly what you just said several times, with no proper arguments against said point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    The fact that the US threatening to withdraw funding could force the UN to make decisions it doesn't want to just shows the weakness of the UN. After all, the fact it is so reliant upon US funding shows nobody else cares about it. Anyway, since when is the United States obligated to fund something it does not believe in?
    Great point. I really do think the United States should withdraw funding from the United Nations, the UN is really a joke.

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    £10 says someone takes issue with that.

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    That is a skewed bet, I already know that you take offense to that post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post
    That is a skewed bet, I already know that you take offense to that post
    Lies, I'm Pro-Palestinian, not anti-Israeli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    Lies, I'm Pro-Palestinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.Chrysostomos View Post
    Maybe because the world gets a better return on its "investment" in Israel then it does in the whole Arab world combined?

    I'm not sure how true this is but apparently more scientific articles are published in Israel per year than in the entire Arab world combined. Furthermore, Israel is the only free democracy where everyone has equality before the law regardless of sex or religion in the Middle East. It should be encouraged as a bulwark against extremism.
    Potential growth my good sir, potential growth.
    Israel has its issues with democracy. However, it is admirably egalitarian towards women and homosexuals. That being said, it treats the Palestinians like garbage. Does the fact that Palestinians have lesser freedoms or social equality merit their treatment? Not at all. If anything it exacerbates social issues.
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    Yup, great point, If a single pro-Palestinian westerner actually went to an Arab state (especially if said person believed in sexual equality, was a woman, or a homosexual), and then immediately went to Israel to compare standards of living and civil liberties, such a person would instantly renounce their pro-Palestinian sentiments.
    I have said exactly what you just said several times, with no proper arguments against said point.
    Then allow me. Standard of living should have absolutely no bearing on any support of any side, that is asinine. The Israelis have good civil liberties for their own citizens, but their treatment of the Palestinians is atrocious when you take account the kind of state they (ostensibly) wish to be, and definitely the one they wish to portray themselves as to the rest of the world. Believe you me, people by and large do not take issue with Israel because they are Jewish, or because they believe in civil rights, or because they are the "good guys", but because they are now the ones who are the obstacle to peace, and occupy and continue to annex land that is not theirs, which quite obviously involves displacement of Palestinian communities. Pro-Palestinian does not mean anti-Israeli. One would think that we are capable of moving beyond simplistic moral schemes of supporting Party X or Party Y no matter what they do. Just because Israel has greater civil liberties is no reason to support them. They are one of the few states in the world actively annexing land, and it is inexcusable and vile. Period. There is no moral or legal defense to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey View Post
    Potential growth my good sir, potential growth.
    Israel has its issues with democracy. However, it is admirably egalitarian towards women and homosexuals. That being said, it treats the Palestinians like garbage. Does the fact that Palestinians have lesser freedoms or social equality merit their treatment? Not at all. If anything it exacerbates social issues.
    From what I've seen they're not treating the Palestinians like garbage; up until last week or so Palestinian prisoners enjoyed massive perks in prison such as university courses and internet. Furthermore, the refugee camps aren't at all like the ones in Darfur, Congo, Malawi etc.

    In 2009 while many Western countries were in a recession the Palestinian territories enjoyed a GDP growth of 8%; not bad for an "occupied territory" in an "apartheid state".

    Arabs, which is what Palestinians are, enjoy equal rights with Jews and others before the law; the only reason Israel pays special attention to Palestinians is because the stated goal of Hamas is the destruction of Israel and Fatah up until recently was also engaging in terrorist attacks against her.

    When the Fogel family was slaughtered in its sleep by those Palestinian youth there were women ululating in the street and men handing out sweets. About a third of Palestinians approved of the attack. Palestinians who are suspected of "collaborating" with Israel are often murdered by their own families as happened in 2009 when a 15yo boy was hanged in the West Bank.

    Is it any wonder Palestinians are singled out? I still maintain Israel is a good democracy and ought to be protected or even actively encouraged,

    Given all this I wouldn't be surprised if, as you claim, Palestinians have lesser freedoms.

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