Britain cannot deport dangerous immigrant criminals.. say EU judges

[CrayonVonCaesar]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...EU-judges.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13956008

After convictions for a number of serious criminal offences - including burglary and threats to kill in Sufi's case, and robbery and supplying class A drugs cocaine and heroine in Elmi's case - they were issued with deportation orders.

On Tuesday the seven-judge court ruled unanimously that deporting them would breach the Human Rights Convention Article 3 which bans ''inhuman or degrading treatment''.

'Consequently, the applicants' behaviour, however undesirable or dangerous, could not be taken into account.''

The court told the UK to pay Mr Sufi 14,500 euros (£13,000) and Mr Elmi 7,500 euros (£6,716) for costs and expenses.

The UK still has three months in which it can appeal for the case to be re-examined.

Well isn't that just splendid.

In what way is this beneficial to Britain?
Why do our politicians not tell the ECHR to jump off a cliff?

[Tiberios]

Stupid. Such people should be deported immediately. Though Somalia is a bit extreme place to deport people to.

[Biscuits biscuits s.v.p.!]

Somalia is a bit an extreme place to send somebody.

[Vagn]

ECHR != EU, they are seperate organisations.
It also appears to be limited to the case of Somalia, where there would be a very real risk of death if they were deported, so it's less Britain cannot deport dangerous immigrant criminals and more Britain can't deport dangerous Somalians as Somalia doesn't have a government or infrastructure capable of receiving said prisoners.

Yes, where possible these people should be deported, but it's not really justifiable to deport them to a lawless country.

[Dr Zoidberg]

Somalia is a bit an extreme place to send somebody.

Even when they're Somali citizens who have (repeatedly) violated the laws of the country they're currently living in? I would think the UK is completely within its rights to deport non-citizens who repeatedly break the law.

We (Australia) recently deported a UK citizen after he came out of jail. He had actually been living in Australia for 40 years but have never taken out citizenship (or even permanent residency). After his latest stint in jail (for assaulting a cop), it was decided that he didn't meet the character requirements for a visa and booted out.

If you're going to live in another country, you bloody well obey the rules of that country. If not, be prepared to be booted out on your arse.

[Biscuits biscuits s.v.p.!]

The deportation should not violate the human rights of the deported because this would also break British law. If British authorities deport a person to Island, they can be save to assume that there is no greater than a normal risk for the life and the body of the deported. You can't assume this in case of Somalia. Ergo, Brits can't deport without coming in conflict with their own laws.

[athanaric]

Well then maybe British and European law has to be fixed so as not to encourage crime. Nobody forces them to become dangerous criminals. It's their own fault if they risk death upon return to Somalia. They could just have behaved well in Britain in the first place.
It would be better if the courts focused on real asylum seekers, i.e. innocent people who are threatened in their home country and who would likely be an actual gain for Europe through their contributions to society.

[Biscuits biscuits s.v.p.!]

They will serve their sentence if they haven't done yet. I doubt they have a chance to get an asylum status. They may leave Britain to Somalia by their own but it is important that this does not take place in connection with a deportation that could violate their Human Rights as sentenced criminals because in case they experience harm as an effect of the deportation, British authorities would be responsible and could be tracked for criminal offences by British courts.

[Visna]

They're not EU judges.

Even when they're Somali citizens who have (repeatedly) violated the laws of the country they're currently living in? I would think the UK is completely within its rights to deport non-citizens who repeatedly break the law.

We (Australia) recently deported a UK citizen after he came out of jail. He had actually been living in Australia for 40 years but have never taken out citizenship (or even permanent residency). After his latest stint in jail (for assaulting a cop), it was decided that he didn't meet the character requirements for a visa and booted out.

If you're going to live in another country, you bloody well obey the rules of that country. If not, be prepared to be booted out on your arse.

Hang on, are you seriously comparing a deportation from Australia to Britain with a deportation from Britain to Somalia?

[Dr Zoidberg]

Hang on, are you seriously comparing a deportation from Australia to Britain with a deportation from Britain to Somalia?

No, I'm simply stating that we deported a citizen of the UK back their after he repeatedly broke Australian law. The same applies to these Somalis. I recognise that Somalia is a dump, but if you don't want to end up back there, stop breaking laws in the country that is hosting you. It's not rocket science.

[Babur]

Somalia is a bit an extreme place to send somebody.

At least Britain is a functioning state

[removeduser_487563287433]

Why do our politicians not tell the ECHR to jump off a cliff?

Because of treaty obligation.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I'm not sure I care if violent criminals get deported to a place where they might be killed. Sounds like they can look after themselves.

[Babur]

I'm not sure I care if violent criminals get deported to a place where they might be killed. Sounds like they can look after themselves.

I doubt there is a functional judicial system in Somalia

[removeduser_487563287433]

I doubt there is a functional judicial system in Somalia

I don't care.

[Poach]

Once again the ECHR proves itself nothing more than a ludicrously idealistic body forcing its own little impractical reality on the rest of Europe.

If I were the Government, I'd simply rip up the treaty binding us to that pathetic, meddlesome organisation.

[Basil II the B.S]

Once again the ECHR proves itself nothing more than a ludicrously idealistic body forcing its own little impractical reality on the rest of Europe.

If I were the Government, I'd simply rip up the treaty binding us to that pathetic, meddlesome organisation.

Yea, this.

[Sharpe's Company]

If I were the Government, I'd simply rip up the treaty binding us to that pathetic, meddlesome organisation.

Call me dave has gone quiet on his bill of rights hasn't he since he came to power!

Yet another lie to get votes from the right wing of his party, oh like the 'cast iron' referendum.

'Just you wait till davy boy gets in'

Glad to see his party splitting at the seam at the moment, backbench revolts over minor issues, John Redwood criticising the government openly on question time, it's all beginning to start to unravel, a great sign that Cameron is losing his party and the condem government!

Another year or two and the election will be called, bring it on!

[removeduser_487563287433]

Call me dave has gone quiet on his bill of rights hasn't he since he came to power!

Yet another lie to get votes from the right wing of his party, oh like the 'cast iron' referendum.
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Meanwhile, in reality, the commission set up to investigate developing a UK Bill of Rights is to report to the Justice Secretary and the Deputy Prime Minister next year.

[Sharpe's Company]

Meanwhile, in reality, the commission set up to investigate developing a UK Bill of Rights is to report to the Justice Secretary and the Deputy Prime Minister next year.

We devolped a Bill of Rights for both English and Scots law in the 17th Century, there is no such thing as UK law, therefore a Bill of Rights covering the UK is a nonsense.

Plus it will never get past the committee stage, because our poltical elite have put their faith in the ECHR.