Family Members dying unwed

**khatmar** · June 28, 2011, 12:06 PM

yep, thats what happens all the time. I havent got a single wedding proposal for any of my generals since the game started. when I wanted my faction leader or heir to be wed, I had to find a princess with my diplomat. what the heck is wrong??

And also... 90% of all the women from my families dont spawn as princesses. they get a very ugly portrait and remain solely in the family tree. Wtf?! And soon there comes up a message about how they got to an age when they cannot mother chidren.

frustrating... my family is dying out and all the generals with cool family names... a disaster

**recentiy03** · June 28, 2011, 12:23 PM

You would only get a princess if they're actually a princess. Being a 1st cousin to the king or heir isn't good enough...so being on the far end of the family tree obviously isn't going to create a princess. If you want a family name that isn't the king's name to live on, the best option is to use your princesses to marry them and have your heir marry foreigners. Obviously if you want incest in order to keep bloodlines untainted from foreign influence then you can't do that.

**khatmar** · June 28, 2011, 12:42 PM

no, its not that. its just that my other generals (apart form FL and FH) are not wedded, hence, no children. only the faction leaders line is going on. otherwise I have to always adopt.

I mean, in vanilla, anytime theres a family member (a general) who is not wedded, gets a marriage option on the start of any turn.

why is this not happening?

**recentiy03** · June 28, 2011, 12:47 PM

That's why I suggested using your princesses to marry the non-royal generals you want to sustain.

**khatmar** · June 28, 2011, 12:52 PM

I do, but there are none

its just so simple. My FL has males only. No daughters whatsoever... And since I never adopt anyone, soon my whole family, except the royal line, will die out

**recentiy03** · June 28, 2011, 01:04 PM

As far as I know, male of female is just luck of the draw.

**bɑne** · June 28, 2011, 01:07 PM

How many regions do you have and how many generals & family members?

Originally Posted by recentiy03

As far as I know, male of female is just luck of the draw.

Correct. Afaik all hardcoded.

**khatmar** · June 28, 2011, 01:36 PM

thanks for your replys (wow, they were fast!)

so its my bad luck then. well... I hope that not all of them will die.

**Jambat** · June 28, 2011, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by khatmar

yep, thats what happens all the time. I havent got a single wedding proposal for any of my generals since the game started. when I wanted my faction leader or heir to be wed, I had to find a princess with my diplomat. what the heck is wrong??

And also... 90% of all the women from my families dont spawn as princesses. they get a very ugly portrait and remain solely in the family tree. Wtf?! And soon there comes up a message about how they got to an age when they cannot mother chidren.

frustrating... my family is dying out and all the generals with cool family names... a disaster

Only the direct royal family get playable princess characters. The others just get generic portraits and hang around until you either wed them with a pop-up event, or they are shipped to a nunnery.

Are you producing Generals in cities? I believe they all have the standard "Such-and-such bodyguard' title in the roster menu. Even though they are not a part of your family tree, they do count against the cap of nobles to land mass you have. It's very possible they could be blocking any noble births.

**Titanax** · July 01, 2011, 12:16 AM

that could be my problem aswell ill try to just kill off all the generals lol thnks for the info

**khatmar** · June 28, 2011, 01:47 PM

I know, I know, but those are not possible births I lack. Its the marriage proposals. None of my generals-turn-family members (and cousins, brothers to the king, etc) are wed. In vanilla (even in older SS) you got a message (popup event, whatever) asking you if you wish that and that general to marry some girl the game spawns for you (well, not actually spawn on the strat map, but you get my meaning). This also happens with faction leader/heir if they are not wed, but I always decline those.

does no one really know what I am talking about?

**Jambat** · June 28, 2011, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by khatmar

I know, I know, but those are not possible births I lack. Its the marriage proposals.

I understand what you are asking. Like I said, the game has a cap of how many nobles you can have compared to how much land-mass you control. This is coded into the original game, not a SS exclusive. If you are at this cap then it will not offer you any new marriages or birth new nobles until either a)people die off, or b)you conquer new lands.

This is one of the main reasons I avoid Man of the Hour adoptions, and try to prune my family trees if need be.

However, if you have an incredibly small overall pool of nobility with a good sized land mass and no trained Generals, and you are not getting any of these events or births, it would be a bug.

**khatmar** · June 28, 2011, 02:03 PM

then it is one... because Ive conquered the whole Europe

and still nothing happens... I have only 12 family members and about 5 generals.

**bɑne** · June 28, 2011, 03:04 PM

Better finish quick before the game completely bugs out

**khatmar** · June 28, 2011, 03:57 PM

I got a daughter finally, dammit, that was close. Now, I hope that 62 year old grandpa can produce some really big litter with that 14 year old princess

otherwise my main "off royal" family is

!

**recentiy03** · June 28, 2011, 04:16 PM

I'm playing as the Byzantines and the 1st son of my original heir was emperor for the next 4 generations until the Laskarises finally managed to usurp them. The Vatatzes's Thracian line nearly died out -- I married the former emperors son to one of the new princesses in order to keep them around, but they only had 1 daughter and I feared that was it for the Vatetzes. Incredibly, they finally had a son when the current Vatazes turned 70! The daughter was already 27. Long live Vatazes! In actuality, I'm not quite sure what happened in real life...because Doukas Vatatzes married the daughter of Theodore Laskaris and they had a child who followed Doukas Vatatzes, but he did so under the name Theodore Laskaris II, which seems odd, that he would take on his mother's former name, not his father's.

**ByzantineCaesar** · June 30, 2011, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by recentiy03

I'm playing as the Byzantines and the 1st son of my original heir was emperor for the next 4 generations until the Laskarises finally managed to usurp them. The Vatatzes's Thracian line nearly died out -- I married the former emperors son to one of the new princesses in order to keep them around, but they only had 1 daughter and I feared that was it for the Vatetzes. Incredibly, they finally had a son when the current Vatazes turned 70! The daughter was already 27. Long live Vatazes! In actuality, I'm not quite sure what happened in real life...because Doukas Vatatzes married the daughter of Theodore Laskaris and they had a child who followed Doukas Vatatzes, but he did so under the name Theodore Laskaris II, which seems odd, that he would take on his mother's former name, not his father's.

The name of the Imperial Dynasty has way more prestige than the Vatatzes. Theodore II even chose Doukas over Vatatzes (again, the Doukai were one of the mightiest families of the ERE) and took the regnal name of Theodoros II Doukas Laskaris. Here's another example: Queen Elizabeth II's family name is Windsor and she married to Prince Phillip of Denmark and Greece, but Prince Charles continues with the name of Charles Windsor

**recentiy03** · June 30, 2011, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by ByzantineCaesar

The name of the Imperial Dynasty has way more prestige than the Vatatzes. Theodore II even chose Doukas over Vatatzes (again, the Doukai were one of the mightiest families of the ERE) and took the regnal name of Theodoros II Doukas Laskaris. Here's another example: Queen Elizabeth II's family name is Windsor and she married to Prince Phillip of Denmark and Greece, but Prince Charles continues with the name of Charles Windsor

Interesting...I figured that must've been what happened after staring at the Wiki page for ERE Emperors long enough, but I wasn't 100%. In a sense the proper regime lived on, then, just with an inaccurate historical name. I guess full regime changes, or rather family dynasty changes, generally only occur when there is zero continuity with the previous regime -- for instance, neither the mother nor the father is related to the previous emperor -- and since Theodoros II was Theodoros I's grandson, even if it was the mother's side, like you said, it was the more prestigious name. As for taking both Doukas AND Laskaris in his name, I'm guessing that was an attempt to connect severed factions within the empire (assuming he had Doukas ancestry at some point in time, I have no clue if he actually did...although, a brief glance at Wiki indicates it probably came from his unknown mother's side) -- in a way it's like Henry 7 (Lancaster) marrying Edward 4's daughter (York)...but, in that instance, an entirely new name proved to be least inflammatory.

**ByzantineCaesar** · June 30, 2011, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by recentiy03

Interesting...I figured that must've been what happened after staring at the Wiki page for ERE Emperors long enough, but I wasn't 100%. In a sense the proper regime lived on, then, just with an inaccurate historical name. I guess full regime changes, or rather family dynasty changes, generally only occur when there is zero continuity with the previous regime -- for instance, neither the mother nor the father is related to the previous emperor -- and since Theodoros II was Theodoros I's grandson, even if it was the mother's side, like you said, it was the more prestigious name. As for taking both Doukas AND Laskaris in his name, I'm guessing that was an attempt to connect severed factions within the empire (assuming he had Doukas ancestry at some point in time, I have no clue if he actually did...although, a brief glance at Wiki indicates it probably came from his unknown mother's side) -- in a way it's like Henry 7 (Lancaster) marrying Edward 4's daughter (York)...but, in that instance, an entirely new name proved to be least inflammatory.

The full name of Emperor John III was Ioannes Doukas Vatazes. I'm not sure though if his claim to be a Doukai is true, since his mother is unknown and his father is only adressed to as Basil Vatatzes.