Bollocks about Animal Welfare - Balls Off or STFU

[sephodwyrm]

http://www.avma.org/reference/backgr...attle_bgnd.asp

We castrate our cattle.
We consider it necessary.
It makes them fatten quicker, taste better and easier to control.

Are we against it? No. Because it makes them fatten faster and taste better.
Is it painful?

See for yourself:

Castration is considered to be one of the most stressful experiences for livestock.7,20,46 Blood cortisol concentrations have been studied as indicators of physiologic stress in animals. Regardless of the means of castration, cortisol concentrations are increased following the procedure; however, onset, magnitude, and duration may vary with the procedure used.4,13,17,37,46 Surgical castration appears to produce the most substantial rise in plasma cortisol concentration.3,6,17,32,46 Application of the Burdizzo clamp may also be associated with a similar, rapid rise in cortisol concentration due to the barrage of afferent neural impulses during and after crushing of the spermatic cord and scrotal nerves.13,17,47 Chase et al37 observed that plasma cortisol concentrations increased immediately after surgical castration; animals that were banded had cortisol increases of less initial intensity, but the concentrations were similar for both procedures on the second postoperative day. Salivary cortisol concentrations observed between 15 minutes and 2 hours after castration in 4- to 11-week-old calves undergoing surgery were much higher than those of calves castrated using rubber rings.20 Stafford46 observed similar overall cortisol responses for elastrator band, rubber ring, and surgical castration, but lower cortisol responses for castration using a Burdizzo clamp.

Yeah, we try to minimize the pain. But I'm sure the Jews do too. Oh, in fact, they don't castrate their cattle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering#Judaism
Unless they're pets.

Bronze Age superstition.
Animals should be neutered to make them taste better. Bollocks for me.

[Steve Holt]

I've seen cattle being neutered and it doesn't bother them too much, they're sedated before hand, plus thereare delicious testicals to eat afterwards

[sephodwyrm]

I've seen cattle being neutered and it doesn't bother them too much,

Read the article.
What it seems doesn't mean that they don't feel pain. Cattle tend not to have expressions on their faces.

[Steve Holt]

But castration is necessary, as is death, but not stunning them prior to death isn't necessary.

[Yosemite]

But castration is necessary, as is death, but not stunning them prior to death isn't necessary.

woo hoo they feel pain

nevermind overcorwded industrial farms

as long as they are STUNNED before death, s'all good

[Ancient Aliens]

...Who cares?

I don't really give a if cattle get their parts cut off to make them taste better, nor do I care about cattle. It's their fault for not being intelligent enough to protect themselves.

[sephodwyrm]

But castration is necessary

Bollocks. Having less cattle would simpy ameliorate the aggression problem of intact bulls. And we can live with the raging sex pheromone taste. It will put hair on our chest and muscle on our women.

not stunning them prior to death isn't necessary.

Bollocks.
Stunning is just as bad.
Do you know what is NOT necessary? Eating beef is not necessary.

[Hotspur]

What is the purpose of this thread again?

[Roboute Guilliman]

So should we eat pigs instead?

[sephodwyrm]

It's their fault for not being intelligent enough to protect themselves.

Right on.
Guess who's doing the job of protecting these sorry animals.
PEOPLE. Friggin undeserving naked simians called human beings who actually knew how to make tools and video games.

So should we eat pigs instead?

I'm afraid that many pigs are gelded as well.
For prairie oysters.

What is the purpose of this thread again?

For people wanting to ban traditionalist kashrut that skips on the stunning part of slaughter.
But feel alright about castrated bulls - bollocks, that's what they're called.

[Vanoi]

Is this a "I feel bad about the poor animals getting their parts cut off" thread?

[sephodwyrm]

Is this a "I feel bad about the poor animals getting their parts cut off" thread?

No. It's a humor attempt at the other thread, where the Dutch wants to ban ritual slaughter (the lack of stunning in animal slaughter, to be precise).

[John Doe]

Castration makes the animal meat fattier. Since it's sold by the kg, it's better financially. Also extra fat makes the meat tastier, most flavor carrying molecules are hydrophobic but disolve very well in fat. Fat also helps in the juicyness and tenderness of meats.

Chapons are a french delicacy for xmas, basically it's a castrated cockerel.

I'm all for it.

[Poach]

Not political/Already a thread on the topic.