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[card_sharp]

In vanilla M2TW, I could select all missile uits with Ctrl+M, and all infantry with Ctrl+I. However, when I do this with Stainless Steel, it lumps all missile units in with my infantry. I suppose they are technically infantry, but even so it's a little frustrating.

Does anybody know a work-around for this?

[warhead71]

I just started playing 6.4 and tought i messed up my ss install,so is this thing inteded to work this way?

[k/t]

Actually, it doesn't lump Missile units in with your infantry. It lumps Skirmishers in with the infantry.

Missile and Skirmisher are the two categories in which every archer, crossbow and javelin unit has been classified by the RR/RC system created by Point Blank. All javelin and crossbow units, and some archer units are Skirmishers. Some archers are Missile. This applies to both mounted and dismounted units.

Missile type - Lower accuracy, longer range, higher rate of fire. The unit typically shoots in an arc, creating an arrow rain on a distant enemy.
Skirmisher type - Higher accuracy, shorter range, lower rate of fire. The unit shoots straight at the enemy as much as possible, with more careful aiming.

Which is best? Depends.

[card_sharp]

Thanks for the clarification. So historically speaking, were archers used as skirmishers in medieval times?

[ZarBoneD]

To my knowledge, not to often, as most archer units consisted mostly of the peasant class. With out rigorous formal military training these men were not effective in hand to hand combat. Lack of armor and quality melee weapons were also a big factor. During the classical Greek period missile skirmish units played a big role in combat, mainly armed with slings and hunting bows, these troops didn't fight in organized units. Shooting missiles at advancing troops then falling back to the flanks to continue pelting the deep ranks of the enemies phalanx or what have he.

I do recall reading about battle between England and France (Go figure lol). A force of French heavily armored knights and soldiers were cut pieces by English archers, and other lightly armed forces. The new plate armor and chain mail of the french, made the archers arrows at the time more or less useless. The weather was what gave them victory, as it had rained the day and all night before the battle. The heavy weight of the French gear made it extremely hard to move through the thick mud. The English primarily wearing cloth, padded, and boiled leather armor has such an advantage in mobility, it made easy picking of the French in their heavy armor sinking into the mud, their cavalry was practically useless in the muddy field.

Arrows are some of the most expensive equipment in warfare at the time, arguably most valuable (tacitly and strategically). They were the first things scavenged from the battle field.

[NiceGuyAdy]

To my knowledge, not to often, as most archer units consisted mostly of the peasant class. With out rigorous formal military training these men were not effective in hand to hand combat. Lack of armor and quality melee weapons were also a big factor. During the classical Greek period missile skirmish units played a big role in combat, mainly armed with slings and hunting bows, these troops didn't fight in organized units. Shooting missiles at advancing troops then falling back to the flanks to continue pelting the deep ranks of the enemies phalanx or what have he.

I do recall reading about battle between England and France (Go figure lol). A force of French heavily armored knights and soldiers were cut pieces by English archers, and other lightly armed forces. The new plate armor and chain mail of the french, made the archers arrows at the time more or less useless. The weather was what gave them victory, as it had rained the day and all night before the battle. The heavy weight of the French gear made it extremely hard to move through the thick mud. The English primarily wearing cloth, padded, and boiled leather armor has such an advantage in mobility, it made easy picking of the French in their heavy armor sinking into the mud, their cavalry was practically useless in the muddy field.

Arrows are some of the most expensive equipment in warfare at the time, arguably most valuable (tacitly and strategically). They were the first things scavenged from the battle field.

I think it was the Battle of Agincourt you're referring to. Certainly one of the most famous of Battles to take advantage of Archers.

[ziserman]

Archers were used as skirmishers, for instance bands of light to medium armoured troops that possibly had skill in close combat. Much more useful in an ambush, fire a few volleys then support the main infantry in melee combat.

This was especially true for horse archers. An example would be comparing the Byzantines to many of their HA opponents. The latter would often practise much in aiming and would close a lot in hit-and-run attacks. The Byzantines instead used to train their HA more in shooting with a high rate of fire and in targeting "areas", not aiming for individual soldiers. This wouldn't cause as many casualties, but it would disrupt a formation much better so it could be then charged by cavalry.

By the way, do skirmisher/archer units generally differ in ammo or it depends more on each unit?

[k/t]

Crossbowmen have less ammo than archers. Firearm units have less ammo than crossbowmen. Javeliner units have the least.

[ziserman]

I meant if skirmishers have less/more ammo than archers.

[popovic]

I meant if skirmishers have less/more ammo than archers.

He answered your question. Great majority of the skirmisher units are either javeliners or crossbow men.

And if you are enquiring about the possible difference in ammo when it comes to bow units that are skirmisher units, and bow units that are missile units, that I don`t know. I guess they have the same amount of ammo.

[ziserman]

And if you are enquiring about the possible difference in ammo when it comes to bow units that are skirmisher units, and bow units that are missile units, that I don`t know. I guess they have the same amount of ammo.

That's exactly what I asked. And they don't have the same amount of ammo.
Toxotae (s) seem to have much more ammo than mourtatoi (a)
Turkish HA (s) seem to have much more ammo than cavalarii (a)
On the other hand I noticed a unit of armenian archers (s) had about the same ammo than mourtatoi in a battle I did. So I guess ammo is relevant to each unit separately?

[k/t]

Mourtatoi (M) - 30 arrows
Toxotai (S) - 40 arrows

Skythikon (S) - 45 arrows
Ippotoxotai (your Cavalarii) (M) - 45 arrows
Turkish HA (S) - 45 arrows

Cavalarii are Missile, so they shoot faster and they start shooting earlier due to their longer range, that's why it seems like the Turkish HA have more ammo.

Check the EDU to see how many arrows each unit has.

[ziserman]

Thanks! +Rep