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    Boost for Google in internet privacy case

    Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
    Thursday March 16, 2006
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1731940,00.html

    Privacy campaigners in the US hailed a victory of sorts for internet search engine Google yesterday after a court case focusing on demands from the Bush administration for access to its data appeared to swing in Google's favour.
    The White House had served a subpoena on several web search giants demanding data on billions of search requests and website addresses as part of its defence of an online pornography law.

    But a US district judge in San Jose, California, indicated repeatedly on Tuesday that he shared Google's concerns about privacy, and he did not want to create the impression government could keep track of individuals searching the internet.


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    Although Judge James Ware said he would probably ask the search engine to turn over some of its records, it is highly unlikely the Bush administration will see more than a sliver of Google's vast data trove.
    "The judge is clearly quite sensitive to the privacy issues that are raised by this," said Barton Carter, a communications and law tutor at Boston University, adding that it seemed the judge would give the government much less than it wanted.

    Judge Ware may rule within days on how much data Google must share. But it was clear yesterday the administration will not be granted a week of search requests, which would have numbered in the billions, and a million web addresses.

    Earlier on Tuesday the department of justice said it had scaled back its demand to a random sampling of 5,000 search requests, and 50,000 website addresses contained in the Google archive.

    The struggle between Google and the Bush administration, played out at a time of heightened sensitivities after a domestic wiretapping scandal, has been seen as a test case for privacy safeguards in the age of the internet.

    "It is the leading search company in the world, and the implications for Google if the government is able to routinely make these requests would have a big impact on business and internet privacy," said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Centre.

    The administration demanded the data as part of an unrelated lawsuit involving online pornography. Justice department lawyers argue the search records demonstrate how easy it is for children to circumvent internet filters.

    The administration did not ask for information that would identify individual internet users, or their internet protocol addresses. Some search giants including Yahoo!, Microsoft and AOL, complied, handing the administration billions of internet search records.

    Google alone has fought the subpoena, arguing the demand violates the privacy of its users, and could expose trade secrets about the operations of its search engine
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    And yet Google rolls over and caves into the PRC? I have no sympathy for them. They let one Govt. dictate to them on free speech and fight the other to protect sex offenders?

    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajimenez3
    And yet Google rolls over and caves into the PRC? I have no sympathy for them. They let one Govt. dictate to them on free speech and fight the other to protect sex offenders?

    Go figure.

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    ahh sex offenders..thats just a "primary" reason which would get most support from the population. you think they would only use the files to look for sex offenders? i dont think so...
    wel in china they had no chance..the only solution would have been to not use google in china. and a business cant do that. no business would. in america they had a chance to fight it and they did and they won. right on! that proves that their is still more freedom in usa then in china

    to sextus: that failure thing is made by a few admins who put up websites with that link and lots of "failure" words on it. it fools the google spiders. unfortunately comapnies use this weakness of googe also so google already isnt the best search engine anymore. this is probably one of a few reasons why they drop on the stock market

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlerich
    ahh sex offenders..thats just a "primary" reason which would get most support from the population. you think they would only use the files to look for sex offenders? i dont think so...
    wel in china they had no chance..the only solution would have been to not use google in china. and a business cant do that. no business would. in america they had a chance to fight it and they did and they won. right on! that proves that their is still more freedom in usa then in china
    It also shows that making a buck is more important than ethics and principles.

    But I guess since it is just "sex Offenders" then it is alright. Where if it was a murderer or serial killer that used some part of Google to help him commit his crime then it would not be alright.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ajimenez3
    It also shows that making a buck is more important than ethics and principles.

    But I guess since it is just "sex Offenders" then it is alright. Where if it was a murderer or serial killer that used some part of Google to help him commit his crime then it would not be alright.


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    So I take it you have never once in your life looked at internet porn? That's what the search is about, not about any "sex offenders". If they wanted to nail sex offenders, there's much more effective ways to find them than a collection of search engine data and website addresses. This subpoena was regarding a pornography law, not a sex offender law. It's also an invasion of privacy, and Google is right to fight it. Yahoo et al can go screw themselves.

    And regarding the China deal, the rule for that deal was that they had to restrict free speech. Otherwise the deal was off. They deserved criticism for it, but in the end it would have been very foolish of them not to agree to that. After all, as China modernizes, I think they'll find it easier to repeal that clause.


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    Go to http://www.google.com/ncr , type "Failure" in the search bar and click on "I'm feeling lucky".
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    making bucks is allways more important then ethic and principles in business. that is very sad but true. and only very few companies can afford true ethics and principles.

    i think google should get some credit for not freely giving their data away to anybody like done by yahoo and others, at least.

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