Poor Vampires getting murdered

[The_Gimp]

For different reasons I started several Sylvania campaigns.
Now everytime most of my poor vamps getting executed by Imperial assassins (dreaded Witch Hunters!), before turn 10.
I would be interested if anybody else ecountered this "problem".

Of course I can disable assassins in the beginning, but I normally never did in any campaign.

It is a little bit extreme and especially because new family members don't get the necromancy trait (well maybe I should just give it to them via console..)


Seems I have to recruit mostly spys and assassins myself from the very beginning myself.
What strategy did you use to handle this?

[ninja51]

Disable assassins is really the only solution. The game did warn you the AI has a tendancy to wipe out family trees with them

[Reiksfart]

Yeah, why even play with them enabled? Assasins have been one of the most annoying parts of the entire total war series since shogun 1 (how stupid were geisha's?).

Restart campaign and turn them off when the option pops up on turn 1.

[The_Gimp]

Yeah, why even play with them enabled? Assasins have been one of the most annoying parts of the entire total war series since shogun 1 (how stupid were geisha's?).

Restart campaign and turn them off when the option pops up on turn 1.

Well I liked them since Shogun, hehe. especially the Geishas...Matter of taste I guess.

In vanilla chances are often lower and it takes time to get skilled assassins. In COW the have higher chances and sometimes quite high stats (without guilds and such). Also as Sylvania you are the main target of ALL provinces and they can spam them from the very beginning. SO this is likely why I never noticed it so much when playing other factions.

Well, better turn them off then for this campaign A shame.
Hope TWMadman gets his Dark Elve mod finished - Dark Elves without Assassins is just wrong, hehe.

[ninja51]

Sylvania is hated by every single faction and is located smack in the middle of essentially every factions save the Chaos and Elves. Assassins from the forces of order will all swarm to the nearest enemy, and it just so happens to be Sylvania. Skill level across the board in the mod is higher for agents and generals (strangly not for priests though) and im actually really happy with that. Less time screwing around, but it will make those Assassins very skilled and masters very quickly.

The actual probability of them attacking somebody isnt any higher, its just the sheer number of the enemies the Vampires are surrounded by and the higher skill levels.

[Kahvipannu]

Add big bonus to personal security in vampire trait, vampires should be hard to assasinate. Tought this change won't be save-game compatible I think..

[Toho]

Add big bonus to personal security in vampire trait, vampires should be hard to assasinate. Tought this change won't be save-game compatible I think..

love the new avatar mate...foxy!

[Russian Gondor]

Assassinate the assassins with your own assassins?

[The_Gimp]

Too many for that, hehe. Empire sends that many, you won't have enough to counter them. Only solution for me was playing without, which is a little bit sad. But Sylvanaia has enough other bugs to fight agauinst even without the murdering of the whole family line. The extra security bonus is a nice idea, but I wouldn't play around with the traits, to easy to mess up and cause CD.

[Kahvipannu]

... but I wouldn't play around with the traits, to easy to mess up and cause CD.

Making little tweak, the odds to mess up is very small

And about rest of the post, I was actually thinking yesterday how to make assasins work in CoW, my toughts..

First, Tweaks to racial traits, human-none, Orc-hard to kill, DE-good at assasinating, etc.. But a raise to personal security to all races, just to nerf assassins..

Make Assassin limit 1 per faction (or is it now already?), very long replenish time (if possible with agents)

Can't think more..

[Beregond]

kill the killer, murder the murderer?