Omar al-Bashir

[Laguna]

What do you guys think of the President of Sudan, Omar al-Bashir and the charges being brought against him? He's being charged with genocide, resisting arrest, and corruption. He allegedly used excessive force against the civilian population during the Darfur War. On one side he was fighting what he considered to be "terrorists" and on the other side he committed genocide against civilians and was discriminatory against different ethnic groups within his own country.


Bashir during his tour with Starfleet

He seems to be hiding from international police forces and probably won't surrender without putting even more blood on his hands. Personally I think he's guilty, but that's for the International Criminal Court to decide. What do you think, is he a hero for his putting an end to the Second Sudanese Civil War and the War in Darfur, or is he a genocidal dictator for his refusal to give up power and allegedly committing genocide? He's a good actor, but is he a good president?

[Admiral Piett]

Uncertain of the genocide charges (don't know much about the Darfur and south Sudan issue) but WikiLeaks found that he had embezzled $9 billion of public money.

[removeduser_487563287433]

A hero for putting an end to the Sudanese Civil War? He lost it.

[Inkie]

Err, I don't know about genocide, but for the Star Trek reference: Isn't that Alexander Siddig?

[Laguna]

Err, I don't know about genocide, but for the Star Trek reference: Isn't that Alexander Siddig?

Yep, also known as Gaius Baltar's clone.

[athanaric]

Well, if you hate black people, Bashir's your man.

[O.Chrysostomos]

He's just doing what is mandated under Sharia law, Non-Muslims have a different status in a Muslim majority country. Who are we to judge him by the ethical standards of a secular, Western democracy?

[athanaric]

He's just doing what is mandated under Sharia law, Non-Muslims have a different status in a Muslim majority country. Who are we to judge him by the ethical standards of a secular, Western democracy?

Well, even if we are to apply these sarcastic standards, there's still the issue of the genocide of 300000 Muslims in Darfur...

[Yosemite]

He's just doing what is mandated under Sharia law, Non-Muslims have a different status in a Muslim majority country. Who are we to judge him by the ethical standards of a secular, Western democracy?

he does not care about sharia

[O.Chrysostomos]

he does not care about sharia

Yes, he does.

If that source isn't good enough for you then do a search on the internet, plenty of others have reported on it including the Guardian and the Times of India.

The whole point of Islam is to make Allah's rule supreme over man-made laws, ie the imposition of Sharia.

Well, even if we are to apply these sarcastic standards, there's still the issue of the genocide of 300000 Muslims in Darfur...

Yeah, there's also the issue of Arab apartheid, non-Arabs being marginalised and ground into the Earth until they're completely demoralised.

The number of 300,000 is disputed and they didn't all die like Jews in gas chambers or like Armenians with a bullet to the brain so it's hardly a genocide.

[NotYetRegistered]

Yeah, there's also the issue of Arab apartheid, non-Arabs being marginalised and ground into the Earth until they're completely demoralised and finally convert to Islam.

source or bs

[Yosemite]

The whole point of Islam is to make Allah's rule supreme over man-made laws, ie the imposition of Sharia.

it's not

you're putting everyone in the same basket

enjoy being wrong forever

[athanaric]

Yeah, there's also the issue of Arab apartheid, non-Arabs being marginalised and ground into the Earth until they're completely demoralised.

Certainly Arab imperialism and supremacism is a problem rooted deep within Islam, however the issue at hand is that Omar Al Bashir is simply a mass murderer, whether that conforms with Sharia or not.

[Yosemite]

Certainly Arab imperialism and supremacism is a problem rooted deep within Islam, however the issue at hand is that Omar Al Bashir is simply a mass murderer, whether that conforms with Sharia or not.

how is it deeply rooted within islam
sunni islam?
shia islam?
wahabit islam?

[O.Chrysostomos]

I never knew Muhammad's Arabness was ever in doubt.

I agree, Bashir is a mass murdering thief but he's just doing what all Islamist Arab leaders do.

[Yosemite]

I never knew Muhammad's Arabness was ever in doubt.

I agree, Bashir is a mass murdering thief but he's just doing what all Islamist Arab leaders do.

it's not about doubting the "arabness" of muhamad

[Dr. Oza]

Certainly Arab imperialism and supremacism is a problem rooted deep within Islam, however the issue at hand is that Omar Al Bashir is simply a mass murderer, whether that conforms with Sharia or not.

And white/european supremacism and imperialism is not rooted within almost all major forms of christianity today?

I mean Jesus as a white guy.. thats a laugh.

[Trey]

I mean Jesus as a white guy.. thats a laugh.

What?

[athanaric]

And white/european supremacism and imperialism is not rooted within almost all major forms of christianity today?

Tell me again, where is "white supremacism" rooted within the Catholic Church, for example? A large portion of its most ardent followers are black or at least brown-ish. It has never carried out race politics. If anything, it is Italy-centric due to its historical development.
Similarly for other Christian sects. For instance, your claim of "white supremacism and imperialism" is rather foolish when referring to the Orthodox church of Eastern Europe and Western Asia. Of course, your countrymen have done a thorough job exterminating the darker skinned Anatolian and Middle Eastern Christians, which leaves us with the white ones from Europe.

I mean Jesus as a white guy.. thats a laugh.

You have a very uniform view of Palestinians/Jews. They come in variations of colour, you know.

In Africa, depictions of Jesus tend to show him as black. Depictions of Jesus and the saints vary according to region, because the locals can identify better with someone of their own colour or someone who conforms wit their ideal of beauty. Or sometimes they just can't imagine somebody having a different skin colour than them.

[Dr. Oza]

What?

Historically inaccurate, he would have looked like any Palestinian/Arab/Jew of his time, ie.. like the current palestinians...