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    ALBANY, New York (Reuters) – Governor Andrew Cuomo made same-sex marriages legal in New York on Friday, a key victory for gay rights ahead of the 2012 presidential and congressional elections.
    New York will become the sixth and most populous U.S. state to allow gay marriage. State senators voted 33-29 on Friday evening to approve marriage equality legislation and Cuomo, a Democrat who had introduced the measure, signed it into law.
    "This vote today will send a message across the country. This is the way to go, the time to do it is now, and it is achievable; it's no longer a dream or an aspiration. I think you're going to see a rapid evolution," Cuomo, who is in his first year of office, told a news conference.
    "We reached a new level of social justice," he said.
    Same-sex weddings can start taking place in New York in 30 days, though religious institutions and nonprofit groups with religious affiliations will not be compelled to officiate at such ceremonies. The legislation also gives gay couples the right to divorce.
    "I have to define doing the right thing as treating all persons with equality and that equality includes within the definition of marriage," Republican Senator Stephen Saland said before the bill was passed. He was one of four Republicans to vote for the legislation.
    Cheers erupted in the Senate gallery in the state capital Albany and among a crowd of several hundred people who gathered outside New York City's Stonewall Inn, where a police raid in 1969 sparked the modern gay rights movement.
    "It's about time. I want to get married. I want the same rights as anyone else," Caroline Jaeger, 36, a student, who was outside the Stonewall Inn.
    But New York's Catholic bishops said they were "deeply disappointed and troubled" by the passage of the bill.
    "We always treat our homosexual brothers and sisters with respect, dignity and love. But we just as strongly affirm that marriage is the joining of one man and one woman," the state's Catholic Conference said in a statement.
    New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an advocate for gay marriage who lobbied state lawmakers in recent weeks, said the vote was an "historic triumph for equality and freedom."
    "Together, we have taken the next big step on our national journey toward a more perfect union," he said in a statement.
    ELECTION ISSUE
    President Barack Obama, who attended a fund-raiser in New York on Thursday for Gay Pride Week, has a nuanced stance on gay issues. Experts say he could risk alienating large portions of the electorate if he came out strongly in favor of such matters as gay marriage before the 2012 elections.
    During the 2008 election, Obama picked up important support from Evangelicals, Catholics, Latinos and African-Americans, some of whom oppose gay marriage, which has become a contentious social issue being fought state-by-state.
    In California a judge last year overturned a ban on gay marriage, but no weddings can take place while the decision is being appealed. It could set national policy if the case reaches the U.S. Supreme Court.
    Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont and the District of Columbia allow same-sex marriage, and Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois and New Jersey approved civil unions. The first legal same-sex marriages in the United States took place in Massachusetts in 2004.
    But gay marriage is banned in 39 states.
    In New York a recent Siena poll found 58 percent of New Yorkers support gay marriage, while nationally the U.S. public is nearly evenly split, with 45 percent in favor and 46 percent opposed, according to a Pew Research poll released last month.
    New York City's marketing and tourism group NYC & Company said it was gearing up to turn the city into "the gay weddings destination." "The new legislation is good news for the City's $31 billion travel and tourism industry," said NYC & Company Chief Executive George Fertitta.
    New York's Democrat-dominated Assembly voted 80-63 in favor of gay marriage last week and passed the amended legislation on Friday 82-47.
    A key sticking point had been over an exemption that would allow religious officials to refuse to perform services or lend space for same-sex weddings. Most Republicans were concerned the legal protection was not strong enough, so legislative leaders worked with Cuomo to amend his original bill.
    "God, not Albany, settled the definition of marriage a long time ago," said Senator Ruben Diaz Sr., a Pentecostal minister and the only Democrat to vote against the measure.
    However, fears of a slew of litigation arising from a possible religious exemption to New York's proposed same-sex marriage law are not borne out by experience with similar laws in other states, legal experts say.
    (Additional reporting by Phil Wahba, writing by Michelle Nichols, editing by Anthony Boadle and Philip Barbara)



    All I can say is I'm glad. I'm all for equal rights and I'm happy to know my state has done so with gay marriage.

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    I was wondering when someone would post this.

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    Here comes the wave of illegal immigrants having "gay" marriages to get a green card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surgeon View Post
    Here comes the wave of illegal immigrants having "gay" marriages to get a green card.
    Just like that wave of illegal immigrants that got traditional marriages to get a green card?

    If one's a problem we need to get rid of the other, just so you know. Because there's no legal difference between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surgeon View Post
    Here comes the wave of illegal immigrants having "gay" marriages to get a green card.
    Here comes the wave of posts by fear mongers.

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    A victory for civil rights in America, yet only the 6th such so far. Progress, but there is a long way to go.

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    It will be a real victory for civil rights when government recognition of marriage is ended.

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    Good. The rest of the US should follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    Good. The rest of the US should follow.
    That's not how it always works. Take, for instance, those states in the south and in the rockies. Those Purple Republican people eaters are never going to allow such a thing until they're all brainwashed by the Democratic party. (Which probably will never happen)
    EDIT: Missed the conversation there. Sorry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    It will be a real victory for civil rights when government recognition of marriage is ended.
    Do you mean a system like in France? Or do you mean the government recognizes no form of legal/financial union between 2 adults?

    Also, fine with me. I see no problem with this legalization, as I think there should be a difference between religious and state recognized union anyway.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kentuckybandit View Post
    Do you mean a system like in France? Or do you mean the government recognizes no form of legal/financial union between 2 adults?
    I mean the latter. What's the system in France?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    I mean the latter. What's the system in France?
    I believe in France you must have a civil service. A religious service after the fact is great but the government only recognizes the civil one.



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    Im glad to hear more civil rights.

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    1. No benefits for married citizens.
    2. Everyone can marry anyone/anything.

    Problem solved.

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    I agree with the above posters regarding marriage, but I do think that this is a positive event and a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabenschnabel View Post
    1. No benefits for married citizens.
    2. Everyone can marry anyone/anything.

    Problem solved.
    Easier said then done.

    What about custody and inheritance rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Easier said then done.

    What about custody and inheritance rights?
    The parents have the custody rights (married or not).
    And if you want your partner(s) to inherit you have to make a testament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabenschnabel View Post
    The parents have the custody rights (married or not).
    And if you want your partner(s) to inherit you have to make a testament.
    Which parents have custody rights? Mom or Dad? What if one parent wants full custody rights?

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    Really? It is the middle of 2011 and this is the 6th state out of 50 to legalize gay marriage?

    I am disappointed at my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faaip de Oiad View Post
    Really? It is the middle of 2011 and this is the 6th state out of 50 to legalize gay marriage?

    I am disappointed at my country.
    When you have a country full of religious radicals who wish nothing more than to cram their beliefs down every American's throat, and if they had the ability to lynch every "sinner" they could find, mixed in with politicians who want their votes so they play the part, it's what you get.

    States like Missouri, Texas, Arkansas, and other conservative bible-belt states will most likely never see a gay marriage bill get passed.
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