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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose
    I would agree that to allow people to enter the country, they must agree to live by European law and not demand new laws based on Islam.
    How would you accomplish that? Would a law be passed forbidding certain other types of laws from being passed? Surely that would be unconstitutional in most nations.
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    Rioting in order to get a 'blasphemy' law insated should result in an instant deportation.
    How would you establish who rioted? The whole point of a riot is that you're talking hundreds or thousands of people, all acting in concert: "They can't punish all of us." And indeed, we can't, not without punishing innocents as well.

    As for deportation, that requires that another country be willing to take them in. Very often that's not the case, and in fact potential host countries might uniformly refuse to take such people in for purely political reasons (that is, on the basis that their hand is strengthened if there's Islamic unrest in Europe; compare to most Arab nations' refusal to permit large numbers of Palestinians to immigrate).
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    Sharia cannot be implemented in a Liberal Democracy - it would be illegal.
    Jim Crow laws were also illegal. And in point of fact, if the ratio of fundamentalists to liberals grows sufficiently (which demographically it well might if current trends continue for several decades), the existence of support for constitutional amendments removing certain rights would be all but inevitable in some European countries. Or, for that matter, it could be a matter of simple armed rebellion.

    Would things ever reach that state? Maybe, maybe not. Some are trying to head off the possibility at the pass.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman
    could'nt really see the majority moderate muslims, who were born and bred in the West, wanting to live under Sharia law anymore than anyone else.
    The majority of American Muslims are certainly moderate. But when you look at a nation like France, with 10%+ Muslim population, most of which lives in ghettoes, you don't have people being exposed to liberal Western values. You have people being exposed to traditional Arab Muslim values, which are diametrically opposed to them. This is where the whole issue of assimilation comes in.
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    culture is dynamically. one cannot conserve culture. conserving culture is stopping the development of a culture. culture in european countries will not end when the last "pure-race-european" wil die. the culture will evolve.
    roman culture has developed german culture...renaissance..reviving of old coltures, of foreign cultures, merging it with local culture, creating new culture etc.

    a race has never something accomplished, ppl, cultures, systems have created/accomplished things. the only thing that will be lost with the last pure race european is a certain combination of genes. now where would be a possible threat in that?

    what is european race anyways? english are heavily mixed with germanic/nordic genes from scandinavia and nothern germany mainly and a touch of french. french also are mixed with germanics, spanish are mixed with north africans and irish are mixed with spanisch and so on. european is not even a pure race. when the saxons came to england and took the english girls, forbidding the local servants to take english wifes the locals worried about a lot i bet. but i bet nobody thought OMG MY RACE IS GETTING UNPURE

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    another litle thing that just crossed my mind is the different races developped by evolution..the massai are prolly tall because that would improve survival in the plain land they lived in. see danger earlier - more time to run - better chance to survive..the small guys would run later and slower, more of them died so those with the "tall-genes" reproduced more...dark skin more resistant to the sun. nowadays we have sunblocker,a nd bikes to get away from the lion (lol) if an african is not used to crazy cold canadian or scandinavian klimat he can buy nice war clothing. there is no need to preserve a certain type of gene-set. we have the know how to improve lacks with tech

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    countries in europe will stopp immigration because any country will reach a population density that nobody will enjoy anymore.
    in germany we dont have lots of immigration..its usually refugees..and even those will be told at one point" sorry we dont have space anymore" i noticed already that very tolerant, liberal ppl friends,family,ppl in general get a more negative attitude to the more and more refugee issues.
    as soon as ppl will feel uncomfortable with the population density the majority will dislike it and taking of refugees is stopped...they reduce it allready compared to the 80s btw.
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    I could'nt really see the majority moderate muslims, who were born and bred in the West, wanting to live under Sharia law anymore than anyone else.

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    good friend of mine is turk and born in germany, his parents and older brothers are turkish. he has lots of problems with his family when it comes to picking a turkish girldfriend (he doesnt like them) etc. so you see that he is allready a german, just with lots of turkish influence. no matter if he marries a turkish or german girl his children will be way less influenced by turkish culture. so already in the second generation you see the tendency of integration. 4 generations after him wont have any problems with cultural differences at all anymore. so the culture clash is only a short term problem i think, which can even be reduced by good integration politics/programs..at least in theory

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    Right, but an asian-white can say it also. This issue (I just read the first post) is very disconcerting. Even if you are of a different race, you can't say that without Western civilization, the world wouldn't be a worse place in many ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major König
    Right, but an asian-white can say it also. This issue (I just read the first post) is very disconcerting. Even if you are of a different race, you can't say that without Western civilization, the world wouldn't be a worse place in many ways.
    Western civilization did not become what it is today through the colour of it's skin. Infact, ignoring race is one if it's
    achievements.

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    You are right, but as humans, we have a need to feel special. I don't think it is truly stomped out either..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major König
    You are right, but as humans, we have a need to feel special. I don't think it is truly stomped out either..
    True, and maybe we should fiurther how stomped it is. People have other things to feel special about.

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    I don't think its race people should care about. If you skin was blue it wouldn't change who you were and what you believed. What people should be concerned of is the change of cultures: Other countries that don't have Western values taking over the status quo.

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    well than lets put all our immigrants in containers and ship them to north america. no roots to lose, plenty of space..
    there is some srcasm modded into this basically logical post

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    There will always be people in Europe, so the last Europeen will never die, but i think that Europeen is here a race term...

    Well, I'm not a racist, belive me, quite the opposite...
    But I wouldn't like it if someone said that "whites" or what ever the people who etnicley belong from the Bosporos to Svandinavia are. I would be most opset....

    I don't think it would be a good thing that Europeen would die out

    After all we are more sexy

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    The Japanese, ah yes....
    Isn't ther toilets that say japanese only in japan, or maybe i have been misinformed

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    well important things to remember about japan is the good economy, the stable country, the unity and sense of belonging the japanese have, the low crimerate and the cleanliness!

    I am european and i say...cool world will be better off without us
    yeah if it's a "who can stay uncivilized for the longest time"-contest...

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    I am european and i say...cool world will be better off without us.

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    No, it would be no different if we all died out and were instantly replaced by people of other races.... it really doesn't make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    No, it would be no different if we all died out and were instantly replaced by people of other races.... it really doesn't make a difference.
    Just that our culture could be lost.
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    In the U.S., none of the Constitution is fixed, requiring a two-thirds majority and three-fourths of the states to amend it (well, all the states would have to agree if we wanted to ditch the Senate). In Britain, Israel, and other nations, the constitution is unwritten and can therefore be changed by judicial whim. In some countries, there are supposedly invariant portions of their constitutions, but those can also be changed by general agreement or, for that matter, violence.

    I'm suggesting that parts of it be made so that they're not subject to change. Democarcy should never be complete, other wise it's simply mob rule. Ofcourse, there's always the violence option, but I doubt that mainstrean Europe will ever become small enough to allow that to happen.

    IMO, it's too late. I think that the problem stems from loose standards for immigration, and we're starting get the knid of problems that happen when you're just not paying attention to what's happening on your borders.

    So communal punishment is okay? It's acceptable to punish people based on their geographic location (which, while we're talking about it, would strongly correlate with race)? There are international conventions to the contrary, and for once I must say I largely agree with them. Anyway, you can give the police highly publicized orders to shoot rioters to kill; that would tend to discourage riots, or end them by the force of Darwinism if deterrance fails.
    That was what I was refering to. Obviously, it would be silly to just punish everyone in a certain area that starts rioting, I mean harsher police action when the riot gets too violent, and only agianst the people who are rioting at that moment. I doubt that people would riot much if the police were able to shoot them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose
    I'm suggesting that parts of it be made so that they're not subject to change. Democarcy should never be complete, other wise it's simply mob rule.
    But pragmatically, if three-fourths of a country supports something, it's unlikely that a mere judicial ruling would stop them. They could just flat-out ignore it, much as equal-suffrage laws were basically ignored until the civil rights movement.
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