People Who Care About Animals More Then Humans

[Banana Jelly]

Why would you guys care about a life of a animal more then humans? There are people from PETA or such who would cringe at African people killing a deer with spears for example to feed there children or such. Really?

Personally, I could care less about how a animal dies. If he is scheduled to die, then I don't care if he dies inhumanely and humanely. Either way he's going to die anyway.

Some people will come at me with the "Imagine if it was you" logic. No. We are humans, who are the masters of this world. We rule the world. Not animals. We might be animals, but we are classified as the smartest form, and as such our life is more precious then a random dog.

I don't understand the logic of many vegetarians either. "Appreciate nature, and love animals".

I'll dip a bucket full of spiders on you and see how you enjoy and appreciate nature.

[Prodigal]

We aren't to abuse creation, and the killing should have a good purpose, but beyond that animals are for us.

[Banana Jelly]

We aren't to abuse creation, and the killing should have a good purpose, but beyond that animals are for us.

My post isn't aimed at killing random animals for fun. That's sick, and stupid. But many organizations like PETA have some stupid objectives. Their goal is certainly in good nature, but they are horrible in their execution.




That man steered away since he almost hit a dog, and steered at a little kid.

[Visna]

Why would you guys care about a life of a animal more then humans? There are people from PETA or such who would cringe at African people killing a deer with spears for example to feed there children or such. Really?

Personally, I could care less about how a animal dies. If he is scheduled to die, then I don't care if he dies inhumanely and humanely. Either way he's going to die anyway.

I think we have an obligation to kill humanely and for good purposes. Apart from that I don't care much. It seems like a luxury problem to complain about, say, an African killing a deer with a spear, when said African has much bigger issues to contend with than animal rights.

Some people will come at me with the "Imagine if it was you" logic. No. We are humans, who are the masters of this world. We rule the world. Not animals. We might be animals, but we are classified as the smartest form, and as such our life is more precious then a random dog.

My dog is not random to me, he's a familymember of sorts, and I would be much sadder about his death than I would be about the drowning of a Polynese fisherman. But that Polynese fisherman's family won't give a toss about my dog dying, it's just how we humans operate.

I don't understand the logic of many vegetarians either. "Appreciate nature, and love animals".

I'll dip a bucket full of spiders on you and see how you enjoy and appreciate nature.

This is just silly. I can think lions are interesting animals, but that doesn't mean I would find it interesting to be their next meal.

My post isn't aimed at killing random animals for fun. That's sick, and stupid. But many organizations like PETA have some stupid objectives. Their goal is certainly in good nature, but they are horrible in their execution.




That man steered away since he almost hit a dog, and steered at a little kid.

I have no idea what that clip is supposed to prove? I don't see a dog anywhere, and if I had to guess, I'd say the driver got spasms from the awful music. That was cruel and unusal. Don't do that again please.

[Incesticide]

While I disagree with PETA's stance, the threadstarter's thread is filled with so many ludicrious statements and ad hominem's it isn't even funny.

Will get back to a full critique of this later.

[Ancient Aliens]

People who put other species before their own actually have a mental disorder. I cannot find the exact term for it at the moment, but I know it is out there, as I have family members who recieved counselling for this very condition.

The act of putting animals before human beings is ultimately hypocritical, as human beings are just sentient animals.

[Banana Jelly]

I think we have an obligation to kill humanely and for good purposes. Apart from that I don't care much. It seems like a luxury problem to complain about, say, an African killing a deer with a spear, when said African has much bigger issues to contend with than animal rights.

As someone above me posted, we kill animals for our survival. About millions of chickens and cows are being killed for food every week. If they are going to be eaten and soon recycled by our bodies as nutrients we need, we do NOT have any obligation for humanely killing an animal. Centuries ago, our ancestors didn't care about how they killed an animal. They killed to survive. Sure we are more civilized now, but how we treat our food when it's going to go to our stomach is stupid and insanely moronic. Why in heavens name would I care about a cow being killed by a swift chop, or with a stun ray so it doesn't feel anything? It's fate is still the same.

My dog is not random to me, he's a familymember of sorts, and I would be much sadder about his death than I would be about the drowning of a Polynese fisherman. But that Polynese fisherman's family won't give a toss about my dog dying, it's just how we humans operate.

Yet the dog doesn't have anyone to mourn for when it dies, while the polynesian fisherman might have had a family that he needed to feed, or a family to cared for him greatly. Dogs dont feed families. Dogs don't show affection or emotions anything close to what humans do. Our lives are worth more then any animal. Animals don't have a sense of "family" that we have. Letting a dog live rather then a human would just be sick and disgusting. A dog could be replaced, however a human cant. Just so you know, by law a dog is property. Humans aren't. Plus the fact that you are being equally hypocritical, judging soley by the fact that since you consider your dog as a "family", someone else considers that polynesian man as a "family". Except in a real sense.

This is just silly. I can think lions are interesting animals, but that doesn't mean I would find it interesting to be their next meal.

Silly? Yes. That was just a joke.

I have no idea what that clip is supposed to prove? I don't see a dog anywhere, and if I had to guess, I'd say the driver got spasms from the awful music. That was cruel and unusal. Don't do that again please.

The man swerved his car to avoid hitting a puppy, obviously the security camera isn't 360 degrees for anyones pleasure to view the dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbGUw...eature=related
Teh description, reading it is helpful.

Does this thread need a more complicated answer than, because they are morons?

Really?

Don't know if you're agreeing with me or not. But I'll take it as you do.

[Visna]

As someone above me posted, we kill animals for our survival. About millions of chickens and cows are being killed for food every week. If they are going to be eaten and soon recycled by our bodies as nutrients we need, we do NOT have any obligation for humanely killing an animal. Centuries ago, our ancestors didn't care about how they killed an animal. They killed to survive. Sure we are more civilized now, but how we treat our food when it's going to go to our stomach is stupid and insanely moronic. Why in heavens name would I care about a cow being killed by a swift chop, or with a stun ray so it doesn't feel anything? It's fate is still the same.

And I literally said "as long as it's killed humanely and for good purposes I don't care much". Food for example is a good purpose, and a boltgun to the forehead is humane, it's dead before it hits the ground. And besides, animals provide us with many other necessesities and luxuries, I have a furcoat which I really enjoy wearing on cold days, and it's not like wintershoes or -boots are made of broccoli, you know. The examples are endless.

Yet the dog doesn't have anyone to mourn for when it dies, while the polynesian fisherman might have had a family that he needed to feed, or a family to cared for him greatly. Dogs dont feed families. Dogs don't show affection or emotions anything close to what humans do. Our lives are worth more then any animal. Animals don't have a sense of "family" that we have. Letting a dog live rather then a human would just be sick and disgusting. A dog could be replaced, however a human cant. Just so you know, by law a dog is property. Humans aren't. Plus the fact that you are being equally hypocritical, judging soley by the fact that since you consider your dog as a "family", someone else considers that polynesian man as a "family". Except in a real sense.

On the contrary, dogs very much need families, although in the dog world it would be considered packs. They're social animals like we are. A single dog left to fend for itself will have very poor prospects, put it in a pack, and it will move considerably higher up in the food chain.
All that aside, there's something like 7 billion people in the world, humans die in huge numbers every single second, if I had to be sad about everyone of them, it would be difficult to function normally even taking into account my supposed joy about every birth. Sure, it sucks to be the Polynese fisherman, but what can you do? I think genuine sadness only comes when you can put a name, a face, a story to the person, everyone else is just a faceless, anonymous, grey mass. This is the age of informational overload, and it will only get worse, so in order to cope we're simply forced to distance ourselves, and fortunately we've already been blessed with that ability. It's not hypocricy, it's simply stating a fact.

The man swerved his car to avoid hitting a puppy, obviously the security camera isn't 360 degrees for anyones pleasure to view the dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbGUw...eature=related
Teh description, reading it is helpful.

What description? The full description of the video you posted is

The car ran into to boy as he was playing on the steps. After the accident, he stood up and crying ran off towards his parents.

So I hope you'll forgive me for not seeing how that video is relevant to, well, anything, especially in relation to this particular discussion.
But ok, let's suppose for a minute that the driver did indeed hit the boy in an attempt to swerve away from a puppy. Then it would be nice if you could prove that the driver made a conscious decision, and that it wasn't simply a case of swerving in order to avoid hitting a puppy and accidentally bumping into the boy instead.
Driving along, minding my own business, I would brake or swerve to avoid hitting anything which suddenly appeared on the road and generally watch out, especially if it was in an area with others who are known to behave unpredictably, be it unleashed dogs, children, whatever. It's not a conscious decision, it's an accident, unless of course you have damning proof otherwise. But the video you posted which is without context, without anything really, doesn't qualify.

[alreadyded]

...Their goal is certainly in good nature, but they are horrible in their execution.

Sounds like all people to me.

Some just like to sooth their egos by acting like they can make a difference, but we are all hypocrites. The only way to save the World is to stop having children and kill ourselves. There are simply too many unnatural (civilized, cultured, etc.) humans to co-exist with nature any longer.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

We aren't to abuse creation, and the killing should have a good purpose, but beyond that animals are for us.

Agree, we can do with them whatever we want. God created them for us.

I still don't see anything wrong when Bosnians throwed puppies in river.

[Col. Tartleton]

I'm not going to lie, there are some incredibly ignorant people in this thread.

Especially GSC

Are you honestly a creationist? God didn't create anything. What are you basing the idea that God made the animals for you? It's just as likely he (she/it/nothing) made us for the animals to empathize and take care of them, but that's alien to your line of thinking... I mean you do realize that's what the bible actually says right? Man is there to take rule over and take care of the animals.


Ponder that ish.

It's obvious to me the (unintended) purpose of life is to create minimum suffering and maximum pleasure for all (primarily the self, then the immediate, then the collective) and to ensure the future welfare of all living things to the best of our abilities.

[CamilleBonparte]

That kid is a trooper, getting up like nothing happened.

Anyway, the driver didn't choose to drive into a kid, he chose to steer away from hitting a dog. Hitting the kid was an accident. A conscious decision to prioritize animals over humans was not made in that situation.

[Col. Tartleton]

I'm personally of the opinion that there are too many humans and if I had to choose between My Dog or a person I didn't know, I'd pick My Dog. If it was between a person I didn't like and a random dog it would be tough... If it was between a family member and My Dog it would be tough to lose my dog, but I'd obviously pick the person.

I have a closer bond with my dog more than I do most of the people in the world. Sorry 6 Billion + people I've only known as a statistic, my dog is a more important part of my existence than you are...

I think people rightly or wrongly see Dogs as somehow superior to them because of their happy simplicity. I think a God (freudian slip...) Dog by and large leads a happier if narrow minded existence than humans do with our insane stresses and problems. We want to be dogs, satisfied by eating and sleeping and a good rub from someone who loves us. Fact of the matter is that's all we really want from life. Dogs remind us of what our humanity boils down to: ways of making those things better and easier. We want a nice place to live, good food, and good company to spend it with.

[Denny Crane!]

Does this thread need a more complicated answer than, because they are morons?

Really?

[leeho730]

I have to say vegetarians are more unnatural. Humans are evolved to be carnivores more than other great apes. We digest proteins better, and we came off from trees several million years ago in order to become hunters for example. Actually, humans (homo sapiens) are kinda freak.

[DaniCatBurger]

Why would you guys care about a life of a animal more then humans?

I think, I would not ask why and not add a comparative but how do we respect another individual being in its owness.

[sephodwyrm]

I think we have an obligation to kill humanely and for good purposes.

No. We don't. We're not killing 99% of animals humanely. We are killing them because they are trying to survive. Unfortunately, that usually involves eating our stuff. So we unleash alien like predators/parasites upon them. We use chemical and biological agents. And we also use genetic engineering.

We are hardly killing for humane or good purposes. We are killing for the purpose for our own survival.

PS: 99% of the animals we're killing aren't mammals.

[Denny Crane!]

No. We don't. We're not killing 99% of animals we are killing humanely. We are killing them because they are trying to survive. Unfortunately, that usually involves eating our stuff. So we unleash alien like predators/parasites upon them. We use chemical and biological agents. And we also use genetic engineering.

We are hardly killing for humane or good purposes. We are killing for the purpose for our own survival.

PS: 99% of the animals we're killing aren't mammals.

Very good and reasonable argument to be made for not killing with malice and only killing with a good reason which to be fair is what he was saying.

[sephodwyrm]

About millions of chickens and cows are being killed for food.

And more are killed to ensure that the chickens and cows are healthy.

There's a biological definition on animals. And it's not restricted to dogs and cats and other assorted domesticated farm quadrupeds or poultry.

[Denny Crane!]

c. Why in heavens name would I care about a cow being killed by a swift chop, or with a stun ray so it doesn't feel anything? It's fate is still the same.


Because not wanting other things to suffer inhumanely is healthy, ambivalence or delight is harmful. I'm happy to eat meat, I just would prefer that they weren't killed inhumanely. I'm not an advocate of animal rights, I'm an advocate of good mental health.