The laws of war in Islam

[Wilder]

I was reading this article on the BBC website that outlined the rules of warfare for Muslims, which included this:

A military Jihad has to obey very strict rules in order to be legitimate.

The opponent must always have started the fighting.
It must not be fought to gain territory.
It must be launched by a religious leader.
It must be fought to bring about good - something that Allah will approve of.
Every other way of solving the problem must be tried before resorting to war.
Innocent people should not be killed.
Women, children, or old people should not be killed or hurt.
Women must not be raped.
Enemies must be treated with justice.
Wounded enemy soldiers must be treated in exactly the same way as one's own soldiers.
The war must stop as soon as the enemy asks for peace.
Property must not be damaged.
Poisoning wells is forbidden. The modern analogy would be chemical or biological warfare.

Two things immediately struck me. The first was how sensible and good the rules where, and the second was that it was almost too easy to digest. The site, very noticeably, did not provide its' sources. Claims about Islam, I have found, need to be triple checked because a ton of misinformation is floating around out there.

I was wondering if any Muslims here can falsify or validate this list of rules. Are they ambiguously phrased? Are they of Quaranic origin, or from elsewhere? how widely accepted are they? And finally what are muslims' (and non muslims' for that matter) reaction when military forces, be it the Taliban or the American muslims fighting in the US military, violate the laws?




I'm very curious...

[SLN445]

Ive heard a few of those from a Documentury i watched a while back on the creation of Islam, not sure if they are true or not though.

[leeho730]

Oh, Muslims during the Middle Ages were really enlightened falks. Islamic world was the cradle of civilization, back then.

[SPECTREtm]

Oh, Muslims during the Middle Ages were really enlightened falks. Islamic world was the cradle of civilization, back then.

Indeed, but the table has turned quite a bit since then.

[Col. Tartleton]

This seems to fit with the behavior of Salah ah-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub, but he was a Kurd and the Kurds are still friends of the west and have fought hard and long against the tyrants of the middle east. So the question is why it changed. This is clearly the conduct of gentlemen, Saladin was the most respected knight of the age.

It seems to me that we need to facilitate a shift from what I see as the failure of Arabs culturally and we should encourage the Kurdish and Pashtun cultures and once the Islamic regime in Iran is replaced with a secular one, Iranian. I mean technically I think they're all Iranian peoples, and I think their culture has held onto the sanity of the medieval ages better. Yes Iran has the odd cruel and unusual punishment, but they are currently in a bad regime and even then there is a sanity to the behavior. I'm not saying Arabs are bad, but their culture is pretty screwed up by western standards.

I think we've got to look to a secular Iran as being the future great power of the middle east as a good thing. Our grandiose hostility to them may be justified, but it's not exactly helpful. Reaching out to Iran or whatever seems like one of Obama's few good ideas.

I think Islam has the best potential for good of the Abrahamic religions if secularism can take hold. Islam as a personal belief doesn't bother me beyond the whole "there is no God" thing I'm rolling with, it's the idea of "Islamic Nations" and Islamists and Islamofascists that make my inner New Englander scramble for his musket.

[PointOfViewGun]

This seems to fit with the behavior of Salah ah-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub, but he was a Kurd and the Kurds are still friends of the west and have fought hard and long against the tyrants of the middle east. So the question is why it changed. This is clearly the conduct of gentlemen, Saladin was the most respected knight of the age.

It seems to me that we need to facilitate a shift from what I see as the failure of Arabs culturally and we should encourage the Kurdish and Pashtun cultures and once the Islamic regime in Iran is replaced with a secular one, Iranian. I mean technically I think they're all Iranian peoples, and I think their culture has held onto the sanity of the medieval ages better. Yes Iran has the odd cruel and unusual punishment, but they are currently in a bad regime and even then there is a sanity to the behavior. I'm not saying Arabs are bad, but their culture is pretty screwed up by western standards.

I think we've got to look to a secular Iran as being the future great power of the middle east as a good thing. Our grandiose hostility to them may be justified, but it's not exactly helpful. Reaching out to Iran or whatever seems like one of Obama's few good ideas.

I think Islam has the best potential for good of the Abrahamic religions if secularism can take hold. Islam as a personal belief doesn't bother me beyond the whole "there is no God" thing I'm rolling with, it's the idea of "Islamic Nations" and Islamists and Islamofascists that make my inner New Englander scramble for his musket.

I don't think you have much knowledge on the Kurdish culture and their history.

I doubt it's ever happened in that way, or ever will.

Doesn't necessarily change it from it being what the Quran says.

[Bleda]

Oh, Muslims during the Middle Ages were really enlightened falks. Islamic world was the cradle of civilization, back then.

We hear an awful lot about the wonders of Islam's golden age. I'm not as impressed, not because I'm denying any benefits that humanity gained from it. It just didn't last all too long and arguably, hasn't reoccurred since. They once emerged from primitive tribalism and barbarism (like all great civilizations/cultures), then had a nice run, and then they returned to the backwardness from whence they came. But they had a good few hundred years.

[AngryTitusPullo]

I was reading this article on the BBC website that outlined the rules of warfare for Muslims, which included this:



Two things immediately struck me. The first was how sensible and good the rules where, and the second was that it was almost too easy to digest. The site, very noticeably, did not provide its' sources. Claims about Islam, I have found, need to be triple checked because a ton of misinformation is floating around out there.

I was wondering if any Muslims here can falsify or validate this list of rules. Are they ambiguously phrased? Are they of Quaranic origin, or from elsewhere? how widely accepted are they? And finally what are muslims' (and non muslims' for that matter) reaction when military forces, be it the Taliban or the American muslims fighting in the US military, violate the laws?




I'm very curious...

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of God, but do not transgress, for God does not love transgressors.

2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

2.192. Then if they desist, know well that God is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by God prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.

2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear God and remain conscious that God is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.

Just some of the (about) 109 verses regarding war in the Qur'an. The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8):

It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just.

[Hax]

I was wondering if any Muslims here can falsify or validate this list of rules. Are they ambiguously phrased? Are they of Quaranic origin, or from elsewhere? how widely accepted are they? And finally what are muslims' (and non muslims' for that matter) reaction when military forces, be it the Taliban or the American muslims fighting in the US military, violate the laws?

They are based on the Qur'an and the Ahadith, but they were not laid down in Muhammad's time. As far as I'm aware, it was Abu Bakr who first came up with these rules.

As for their acceptance, I guess it kinda depends on the time and date. If you look at the way how Osama bin Laden and cohorts subverted these teachings, you could suppose that these rules (guidelines?) differ in importance from time to time. Historically, I'd say that virtually no Muslim nation has followed these rules exactly. Despite the courageousness of leaders as Nur al-Din, Salah al-Din and Yusuf ibn Tashfin, Muslim armies were prone to the same barbarity as any other armed force in their time, be they European, Russian, Mongol or Chinese.

As for the Muslim reaction; how should one measure that reaction? Islam is so diverse that you cannot ask all Muslims to respond to a single event of Islamic injustice. Leaving aside the inherent difference between the many different Islamic sects, there are also multiple schools of jurisdictional interpretation within Sunni Islam (Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanbali and Hanafi), leading to different points of view considering legitimacy. One of the most important aspects of those rules that you were talking about is that they should be followed for a legitimate war. There may be imams who preach that that's all fine and well, but when the rules were laid down, the situation was different and that the war they fight now is different or something.

Islam is not a homogenous and monolithic substance with a clearly-defined jurisdiction. When it comes to jurisprudence, it's just as vague as the theological differences that Catholic and Orthodox priests would talk about. Imagine that.

[AngryTitusPullo]

They are based on the Qur'an and the Ahadith, but they were not laid down in Muhammad's time. As far as I'm aware, it was Abu Bakr who first came up with these rules.

As for their acceptance, I guess it kinda depends on the time and date. If you look at the way how Osama bin Laden and cohorts subverted these teachings, you could suppose that these rules (guidelines?) differ in importance from time to time. Historically, I'd say that virtually no Muslim nation has followed these rules exactly. Despite the courageousness of leaders as Nur al-Din, Salah al-Din and Yusuf ibn Tashfin, Muslim armies were prone to the same barbarity as any other armed force in their time, be they European, Russian, Mongol or Chinese.

As for the Muslim reaction; how should one measure that reaction? Islam is so diverse that you cannot ask all Muslims to respond to a single event of Islamic injustice. Leaving aside the inherent difference between the many different Islamic sects, there are also multiple schools of jurisdictional interpretation within Sunni Islam (Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanbali and Hanafi), leading to different points of view considering legitimacy. One of the most important aspects of those rules that you were talking about is that they should be followed for a legitimate war. There may be imams who preach that that's all fine and well, but when the rules were laid down, the situation was different and that the war they fight now is different or something.

Islam is not a homogenous and monolithic substance with a clearly-defined jurisdiction. When it comes to jurisprudence, it's just as vague as the theological differences that Catholic and Orthodox priests would talk about. Imagine that.

Well if you read about battles during Muhammad's lifetime you could see that the rules are already in practice. Abu Bakar set the guidance base on Muhammad's action previously.

However it is not necessarily a religious leader as in imam which westerners understand since all muslims especially leaders are expected to have iman. It is the responsibility of the leader of the muslim community to defend his (or her) community from harm.

[Sher Khan]

Understand that these are generalized theories made by theologians and practical jurists. Though most people today blur the lines between Shari'ah as a collection of argumentative legal thought and actual religious dogma, it does have basis in Islamic primary texts as Elphir said.

It is influenced by the nature of Islamic society around the writer penning these concepts. There is also an element of personal opinion and bias involved in many legal collections as not all works were written to actually address a lack of legal foundation or loophole but as an exercise in self promotion (or preservation). Not only ideas written by extremists and rebels but also those written by state employees and civil servants. The above rules basically promote the kind of stable existence and reality of a powerful or at least stable Islamic civilization. The voice of violent rage or humanism can also speak through an author's pen.

So the rules above are logical as well as focused on ideological foundations like justice and temperance. It's expected out of any non-sociopathic, non-suicidal culture invested in maintaining a well defended core territory engaged in trade and development. Different sorts of ideals on permissible rules of engagement require a different focus - like 'reawakening a dormant, humiliated, and besieged Islamic world' which is the base of Osama bin Laden's and other violent Islamists' ideologies.

[(s)AINT]

How they know what allah wants now and will continue to intrigue me.

[total relism]

To offer the other side

may find these interesting
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/
under debates
Sam Shamoun vs. Nadir Ahmed: “Is Islam a Religion of Peace?”

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...-is-islam.html

"Is Islam a Religion of Peace?" Abdullah Andalusi and Yahya Seymour vs. Nabeel Qureshi and David Wood
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009...-abdullah.html

also watch the debates on Muhammad to see if he was a good person or not usually under was Muhammad a prophet of god


when Muslims feel threaten they can seek peace,they can pretend to be peaceful outwardly,but not inwardly 3.28
when Islam has upper hand, such as Muhammad after he became leader of medina
47.35 they are to never ask for peace

reward for fighting
only sure way of going to heaven is to die in battle for islam
cannot enter paradise until you proven in battle your a true believer 3.140-144
those that fight [in battle] for islam in war receive heaven, hell for those that dont 48.16-20
those that die in battle for islam will go to paradise 47 4-6
anyone who dies in battle for god will be richly compensated 4.74
those that die in battle will be forgiven all there sins, and will go to heaven 3.195
promised reward for those that fight in battle 4.95-97 98-101
reward of heaven for those that die in battle 3.169-172
those who fight in war for allah and Muhammad get rewarded with paradise 9.87-90
Muslims were created to help Muhammad in war 9.40
allah rewards for fighting and jihad 4.74 9.89
in hadiths Muhammad taught if a person died in jihad they would get 70 virgins with 70 palaces
hadith 53 vol 4 book 52 praises dying for islam martyrdom
die in jihad guarantee paradise, not suicide intent to kill others 9.111
Muhammad told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it."

in the first century after Muhammad died and start of abu bakr Islam spread through battle from across north Africa up to Spain across Asia and India

If believers do not fight
fighting is obligated for believers,much as they dislike it 2.216
cannot enter paradise until you proven in battle your a true believer 3.140-144
Muslims were created to help Muhammad in war 9.40
those that fight [in battle] for islam in war receive heaven, hell for those that dont 48.16-20
a woeful scourge falls on arabs who do not fight in war 9.87-90
put to death deserter wherever you find them 4 87-90
those that dont fight in battle for god are not equal to those that do 4.95
those that dont fight that are able, are unclean and will be punished in hell 9.94-96
god will strike off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers,if any believer turns his back to infidels on the march,he will receive wrath from god and hell fire 8.15-16
believers who fight in war for islam,are not to be friends with those who have yet to join in war 8.70-75
Muslims who fight for god,are held higher by god than others and are promised paradise 9.20-22
if Muslims will not go to war god will punish them sternly 9.38-39


unbelievers
islam is only religion in world that has mandate violence against non believers verse 9.5
unbelievers are enemies 4.101
seek out the unbelievers relentlessly 4.103-104
fight against them until idolatry is no more and gods religion reigns supreme 2.192-93
Muhammad is to make war with nonbelievers and deal sternly with them 66.9
non believers will be known by there looks, and will be sieged by there feet 55.41
large numbers of mass killings by allah towards unbelievers in koran
god tells Muhammad to make war on unbelievers and hypocrites and to deal rigorously with them 9.73-74
followers of islam are ruthless to unbelievers, but merciful to each other 48.29
make war on infidels who who live around you 9.123
god will strike off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers,if any believer turns his back to infidels on the march,he will receive wrath from god and hell fire 8.15-16
make war on idolaters until islam reins supreme 8.29-40
dont let unbelievers think they will ever get away,muster against them all men and Calvary strike terror into the enemies of god 8.57-60
make war with unbelievers 9.1-13 unless they join the faith
Muslims cannot be friends with brothers or fathers if they are unbelievers 9.21-24
fight against unbelievers who have been given scripture and do not believe [jews Christians] until they pay tribute and are subdued 9.29-31
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
“I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah” vol 4 book 52 hadith 196 Muhammad
believers are told to not be friends with non-believers 60.1 and to not show them kindness 60 8-9 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 it is evil to be friends with unbelievers 5 80-82
jews Christians shall burn in hell forever 98.1-7
jews Christians are perverse 9.29-30




armed men during prayer, believers must always be on guard 4.102
those that make war against allah or Muhammad shall be slain or crucified 5.33
if anyone thinks god will not give victory to Muhammad they should hang themselves 22.15-16
a son killed for his unbelief 18.75-18.82
believers will kill,and be killed for the cause of god 9.111
Muhammad was called to rose believers to fight 8.62-66
a call to fight any who break their oath with islam or who conspire to banish Muhammad9.13
go to war well armed or ill equipped to march and fight for the cause of allah 9.41
true believers will beg to go to war 9.43-47
for cristising islam your fingers are chopped off than your had than you go to hell 8.10-13
those who do mischief cut there hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them 5.33 Muhammad himself did so to jews vol 8 book 82 hadith 795
about 100 times jihad is mentioned in hadiths with sword war or military effort,at the end he mentions jihad within the spiritual struggle once.
when Muslims die in jihad mosque celebrate wedding not funeral because he is know married in haven to his hours in paradise family celebrates. [in middle east]
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
Muhammad told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586


Muhammad
He was born in mecca,arabia born 570 ad lived 62 years
at age 40 in 610 he received his first revelation,koran written over 22 years
arab christian jews rejected Muhammad in mecca and drove him out in 622 ad, islam moved from mecca to medina 280 miles north in 622 AD. Year 0 for Muslims
Very early Muhammad was seeking acceptance from jews Christians and was very peaceful, he said things like be tolerant over other religions etc.
Than he shifted after they would not accept him, and he moved to medina ,built first mosque in medina. He first perched on friday becoming islamic holy day .
He received revaluations to drive out jews in medina,he led 66 battles in medina had 2,000 jews beheaded and there bodies burned in medina .
629 AD with 10,000 men he returned and conquered mecca and slaughtered thousands and forced conversions.
following Muhammad death islam was spread by the sword in the “war of apostasy”witch lasted 100 years.
Began first by caliph [leader] abu bakr, when many in Arabia wanted to leave Islam, after Muhammad death, killing tens of thousands,while caring out Muhammad orders of killing anyone who leaves Islam



many versus from in Koran that came from mecca sound peaceful tolerant,than when he gained power in median he starts to turn violent towards the end of his career
2.256 written in 614 ad 9.5 in 627 ad, chapter 9 is last chapter written and 2.108 does away with previous scripture so chapter 9 should be of most authority.




“I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah” vol 4 book 52 hadith 196 Muhammad
he chopped off heads of jews and dug there graves first, 600-900 people also ordered many assassinations of political opponents
in hadiths it said Muhammad tortured jews for information burned out there eyes
book of life of Muhammad p464
he wiped out 3 tribes of jews in arabia
Muhammad said on his death bed,whoever relinquishes his faith kill him
in hadiths Muhammad claimed god told him to fight people until they became Muslim.
those who do mischief cut there hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them sura 5.33 Muhammad himself did so to jews vol 8 book 82 hadith 795
Muhammad ordered people to lie in order to kill other people p307 the life of Muhammad




muhhamad had 12 wives the youngest was 9 years old vol 7 book 62 hadith 88
Muhammad has fought withith many large armies
believers cannot bother Muhammad with familiar talk or he will be annoyed anoyed
no speaking ill of Muhammad 33.53-54
Muhammad kept spoils from attacking a unarmed caravan to mecca from syria he led the battle in 624 AD 8.1
led battle in 630 ad vs meccans
Muhammad was called to rose believers to fight 8.62-66
muhamud told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586
considered perfect man to try to replicate him


instead of starting a peaceful religion in medina when he was no longer oppressed, but instead waged war until his death many years later.
In the hadiths Muhammad said fighting is worth more than all the world


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it."

blessed a follower for driving a bow through someones eye and out the back

[Hax]

total relism, perhaps you could give an opinion of your own instead of just mindlessly copying one or another vague pseudo-polemic website? I mean, I don't really have the patience nor the interest to read through all that. From what I understand, that piece shows a total lack of historical knowledge concerning the early days of Islam.

[total relism]

total relism, perhaps you could give an opinion of your own instead of just mindlessly copying one or another vague pseudo-polemic website? I mean, I don't really have the patience nor the interest to read through all that. From what I understand, that piece shows a total lack of historical knowledge concerning the early days of Islam.

My opnion, is still being formed on this subject, witch is why i offered, "the other side" and made available 2 debates on the subject, from people who have studied this subject for years, with two opposing views.
Also i copied off of my own stuff, witch would be ovius had you read any of it, my bad grammar and all. So the pseudo-polemic website you have no reason to believe exist is actally the koran.
Also you make terrible claims with no evidence to back it up, im not sure what this last post of yours, was suppose to add to the discusion?

[Babur]

To offer the other side

may find these interesting
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/
under debates
Sam Shamoun vs. Nadir Ahmed: “Is Islam a Religion of Peace?”

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...-is-islam.html

"Is Islam a Religion of Peace?" Abdullah Andalusi and Yahya Seymour vs. Nabeel Qureshi and David Wood
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009...-abdullah.html

also watch the debates on Muhammad to see if he was a good person or not usually under was Muhammad a prophet of god


when Muslims feel threaten they can seek peace,they can pretend to be peaceful outwardly,but not inwardly 3.28
when Islam has upper hand, such as Muhammad after he became leader of medina
47.35 they are to never ask for peace

reward for fighting
only sure way of going to heaven is to die in battle for islam
cannot enter paradise until you proven in battle your a true believer 3.140-144
those that fight [in battle] for islam in war receive heaven, hell for those that dont 48.16-20
those that die in battle for islam will go to paradise 47 4-6
anyone who dies in battle for god will be richly compensated 4.74
those that die in battle will be forgiven all there sins, and will go to heaven 3.195
promised reward for those that fight in battle 4.95-97 98-101
reward of heaven for those that die in battle 3.169-172
those who fight in war for allah and Muhammad get rewarded with paradise 9.87-90
Muslims were created to help Muhammad in war 9.40
allah rewards for fighting and jihad 4.74 9.89
in hadiths Muhammad taught if a person died in jihad they would get 70 virgins with 70 palaces
hadith 53 vol 4 book 52 praises dying for islam martyrdom
die in jihad guarantee paradise, not suicide intent to kill others 9.111
Muhammad told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it."

in the first century after Muhammad died and start of abu bakr Islam spread through battle from across north Africa up to Spain across Asia and India

If believers do not fight
fighting is obligated for believers,much as they dislike it 2.216
cannot enter paradise until you proven in battle your a true believer 3.140-144
Muslims were created to help Muhammad in war 9.40
those that fight [in battle] for islam in war receive heaven, hell for those that dont 48.16-20
a woeful scourge falls on arabs who do not fight in war 9.87-90
put to death deserter wherever you find them 4 87-90
those that dont fight in battle for god are not equal to those that do 4.95
those that dont fight that are able, are unclean and will be punished in hell 9.94-96
god will strike off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers,if any believer turns his back to infidels on the march,he will receive wrath from god and hell fire 8.15-16
believers who fight in war for islam,are not to be friends with those who have yet to join in war 8.70-75
Muslims who fight for god,are held higher by god than others and are promised paradise 9.20-22
if Muslims will not go to war god will punish them sternly 9.38-39


unbelievers
islam is only religion in world that has mandate violence against non believers verse 9.5
unbelievers are enemies 4.101
seek out the unbelievers relentlessly 4.103-104
fight against them until idolatry is no more and gods religion reigns supreme 2.192-93
Muhammad is to make war with nonbelievers and deal sternly with them 66.9
non believers will be known by there looks, and will be sieged by there feet 55.41
large numbers of mass killings by allah towards unbelievers in koran
god tells Muhammad to make war on unbelievers and hypocrites and to deal rigorously with them 9.73-74
followers of islam are ruthless to unbelievers, but merciful to each other 48.29
make war on infidels who who live around you 9.123
god will strike off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers,if any believer turns his back to infidels on the march,he will receive wrath from god and hell fire 8.15-16
make war on idolaters until islam reins supreme 8.29-40
dont let unbelievers think they will ever get away,muster against them all men and Calvary strike terror into the enemies of god 8.57-60
make war with unbelievers 9.1-13 unless they join the faith
Muslims cannot be friends with brothers or fathers if they are unbelievers 9.21-24
fight against unbelievers who have been given scripture and do not believe [jews Christians] until they pay tribute and are subdued 9.29-31
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
“I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah” vol 4 book 52 hadith 196 Muhammad
believers are told to not be friends with non-believers 60.1 and to not show them kindness 60 8-9 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 it is evil to be friends with unbelievers 5 80-82
jews Christians shall burn in hell forever 98.1-7
jews Christians are perverse 9.29-30




armed men during prayer, believers must always be on guard 4.102
those that make war against allah or Muhammad shall be slain or crucified 5.33
if anyone thinks god will not give victory to Muhammad they should hang themselves 22.15-16
a son killed for his unbelief 18.75-18.82
believers will kill,and be killed for the cause of god 9.111
Muhammad was called to rose believers to fight 8.62-66
a call to fight any who break their oath with islam or who conspire to banish Muhammad9.13
go to war well armed or ill equipped to march and fight for the cause of allah 9.41
true believers will beg to go to war 9.43-47
for cristising islam your fingers are chopped off than your had than you go to hell 8.10-13
those who do mischief cut there hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them 5.33 Muhammad himself did so to jews vol 8 book 82 hadith 795
about 100 times jihad is mentioned in hadiths with sword war or military effort,at the end he mentions jihad within the spiritual struggle once.
when Muslims die in jihad mosque celebrate wedding not funeral because he is know married in haven to his hours in paradise family celebrates. [in middle east]
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
Muhammad told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586


Muhammad
He was born in mecca,arabia born 570 ad lived 62 years
at age 40 in 610 he received his first revelation,koran written over 22 years
arab christian jews rejected Muhammad in mecca and drove him out in 622 ad, islam moved from mecca to medina 280 miles north in 622 AD. Year 0 for Muslims
Very early Muhammad was seeking acceptance from jews Christians and was very peaceful, he said things like be tolerant over other religions etc.
Than he shifted after they would not accept him, and he moved to medina ,built first mosque in medina. He first perched on friday becoming islamic holy day .
He received revaluations to drive out jews in medina,he led 66 battles in medina had 2,000 jews beheaded and there bodies burned in medina .
629 AD with 10,000 men he returned and conquered mecca and slaughtered thousands and forced conversions.
following Muhammad death islam was spread by the sword in the “war of apostasy”witch lasted 100 years.
Began first by caliph [leader] abu bakr, when many in Arabia wanted to leave Islam, after Muhammad death, killing tens of thousands,while caring out Muhammad orders of killing anyone who leaves Islam



many versus from in Koran that came from mecca sound peaceful tolerant,than when he gained power in median he starts to turn violent towards the end of his career
2.256 written in 614 ad 9.5 in 627 ad, chapter 9 is last chapter written and 2.108 does away with previous scripture so chapter 9 should be of most authority.




“I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah” vol 4 book 52 hadith 196 Muhammad
he chopped off heads of jews and dug there graves first, 600-900 people also ordered many assassinations of political opponents
in hadiths it said Muhammad tortured jews for information burned out there eyes
book of life of Muhammad p464
he wiped out 3 tribes of jews in arabia
Muhammad said on his death bed,whoever relinquishes his faith kill him
in hadiths Muhammad claimed god told him to fight people until they became Muslim.
those who do mischief cut there hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them sura 5.33 Muhammad himself did so to jews vol 8 book 82 hadith 795
Muhammad ordered people to lie in order to kill other people p307 the life of Muhammad




muhhamad had 12 wives the youngest was 9 years old vol 7 book 62 hadith 88
Muhammad has fought withith many large armies
believers cannot bother Muhammad with familiar talk or he will be annoyed anoyed
no speaking ill of Muhammad 33.53-54
Muhammad kept spoils from attacking a unarmed caravan to mecca from syria he led the battle in 624 AD 8.1
led battle in 630 ad vs meccans
Muhammad was called to rose believers to fight 8.62-66
muhamud told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586
considered perfect man to try to replicate him


instead of starting a peaceful religion in medina when he was no longer oppressed, but instead waged war until his death many years later.
In the hadiths Muhammad said fighting is worth more than all the world


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it."

blessed a follower for driving a bow through someones eye and out the back

"The Wars Of Apostasy" or Ridda Wars lasted for a year not 100 years, if the source can get that fact wrong then whichever you source you got that from was of questionable validity.

I doubt it's ever happened in that way, or ever will.

Saladin came quite close to that though afaik

[white-wolf]

"The Wars Of Apostasy" or Ridda Wars lasted for a year not 100 years, if the source can get that fact wrong then whichever you source you got that from was of questionable validity.

Also, he wrote that Jews and Arabs did drove Hz.Muhammed from Mecca. Hilarious!

[total relism]

"The Wars Of Apostasy" or Ridda Wars lasted for a year not 100 years, if the source can get that fact wrong then whichever you source you got that from was of questionable validity.

yes, it would be hard for him to lead a war for a hundred years, i see your point mistake copying on my part [bad grammar and all] thank you.

Also, he wrote that Jews and Arabs did drove Hz.Muhammed from Mecca. Hilarious!

and? before he came to power. It seems weird to me having learning the history of islam reading books on islam, seen this in debate after debate [around 60 hours up till know] learning with both Muslims and Christians all seem to agree with this statement, so why do you belive it to be false?

[Sher Khan]

To offer the other side

This is not 'the other side.' The is no 'other side.' There are the rules of war and the not-rules of war. There are the legal primers and codes of Islamic legal scholars that define these rules of war 'according to Islam,' and there's everything else which do not.

For a start the BBC is an organisation of plonkerish value, decidedly anti-Christian and belongs in the mould of socialist dinosaurs, so whatever it says has to be considered immediately with a counter balance formulated in the mind of any watcher or hearer. Whether the rules that it suggests are in fact real or not one has to figure whether the Muslims have ever obeyed anything like it. History suggests the opposite.

What it shows, in fact, is that such rules were applied and obeyed as much as any other set of rules for just war by all other civilizations.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Those are pan-islamic wars against the likes of the crusaders.

Muslim leaders throughout history did follow this at all.