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    http://www.slowplay.com/archives/200...-in-turkey.php

    Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ bestseller in Turkey
    What is going on over in Turkey?

    Adolf Hitler’s book ‘Mein Kampf’ is on the top 10 bestseller list. The book is being reprinted in different languages because of its popularity. The top selling book on the list, ‘Metal Storm’, ends in the destruction of Washington, D.C. with a nuclear device.

    Asked to comment, a government spokesman claims, “There is no racism in this country.” That’s quite a bold statement.

    Reuters reports:

    Political analysts say “Mein Kampf” probably reflects rising nationalism and anti-American sentiment rather than anti-Semitism or specific support for Hitler and his ideas.

    Many Turks are worried their country is having to make too many concessions to the European Union as it prepares for the start of long-delayed entry talks later this year.

    There is also widespread anger about the U.S. occupation of neighboring Iraq.
    Interesting phenomenon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eXc|Imperator
    No racism in Turkey? Laughable.
    Not counting the grey wolves I guess.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    Not counting the grey wolves I guess.
    And their government. That's a biggie too.

    Imagine if people in *this* country were arrested for writing articles saying there are latino's or native americans living here...

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    Additionally: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=44727

    The infamous manifesto penned in prison during the 1920s by one of history's greatest despots has become a bestseller in Turkey, a troubling sign of increasing anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism.

    Since January, Mein Kampf has sold more than 50,000 copies, rising to No. 4 on the bestseller list. The book outlines Hitler's plans for world domination and his intense hatred of the Jewish people.

    "A lot of people in the West don't realize this has always been a popular book among radical Muslims," says Steve Hagerman, founder of Turkish World Outreach. "They think it's a tragedy Hitler didn't win the war. This is symptomatic of growing anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism in the country."
    Hitler Book More Sought After Than Ever
    Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Flying off the shelves in Turkey
    80 years after publication, Hitler's "Mein Kampf" -- widely seen as the main source of Nazi ideology -- has been ruffling feathers all over Europe in recent months. In Turkey, it's even become a surprise best-seller.

    Adolf Hitler's infamous -- and notoriously badly-written --autobiography has sold more than 50,000 copies in Turkey since January, and is currently number four on the best-seller list drawn up by the D&R bookstore chain.

    "'Mein Kampf' has always been a sleeper, a secret best-seller," said Oguz Tektas of Mefisto editions, one of several publishing houses to re-release the book Hitler wrote while in jail in 1925. "We took it out of the closet for purely commercial reasons."

    His company's sole aim, he stressed, was "to make money," which they did -- by slashing the cover price.

    "Mein Kampf," published by about a dozen companies over the years, always sold at a fairly steady annual rate of about 20,000 at some 20 New Turkish Lira (11.3 euros or $15) a copy. The Mefisto edition retails at 3.3 euros ($4.5) and sold 23,000 copies in two months.

    Turkish nationalism

    The readership? "Those who want to know about a man who wreaked death and destruction on the world," Tektas said.

    "Mostly young people," said Sami Kilic, owner of the Emre publishing house, another company on the "Mein Kampf" bandwagon, which sold 26,000 copies from a run of 31,000 released in late January.

    "The times we live in have a definite impact on sales," Kilic said. "It is an astonishing phenomenon."

    Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: He linked interest in the book to Turkey's bid to join the European Union, seen by the right-wing as a desertion of national values, and rising sentiment against the United States and its ally Israel over the treatment they are perceived here as meting out to the Iraqis and the Palestinians, respectively.

    "This book, which does not contain a single ounce of humanity, unfortunately appears to be taken seriously in this country," political scientist Dogu Ergil complained in a recent newspaper interview. He agreed that the unexpected popularity of "Mein Kampf" in the Muslim-majority country has its roots in a rise in anti-American sentiment sparked by the occupation of Iraq and anti-Semitism resulting from Israel's Palestinian policy.

    "Nazism, buried in the dustbin of history in Europe, is beginning to re-emerge in Turkey," he warned.

    (...)
    Rest here: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...522387,00.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    "They think it's a tragedy Hitler didn't win the war. This is symptomatic of growing anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism in the country."
    How can Muslims have wanted Hitler to win the war?
    I thought that Turkey fought with the allies in WW2 and the central powers in WWI(Ottomans). There is therefore no reason for them to want Hitler to have won the war apart from wanting to 'scare' the West.
    Why do muslims like to believe in these stupid extremist views, that they don't seem to fully understand?
    Hitler killed millions of people, I don't know how he treated muslims but I bet it was not well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles
    How can Muslims have wanted Hitler to win the war?
    I thought that Turkey fought with the allies in WW2 and the central powers in WWI(Ottomans). There is therefore no reason for them to want Hitler to have won the war apart from wanting to 'scare' the West.
    Why do muslims like to believe in these stupid extremist views, that they don't seem to fully understand?
    Hitler killed millions of people, I don't know how he treated muslims but I bet it was not well.
    Hitler treated muslims well, even made several all muslim SS units....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Flint
    Hitler treated muslims well, even made several all muslim SS units....
    Didn't know that, thanks. Did any muslim countries actually fight with the axis though in WWII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles
    Didn't know that, thanks. Did any muslim countries actually fight with the axis though in WWII?
    not that I can think of. But didn't Saudi Arabia support Hitler or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Flint
    Hitler treated muslims well, even made several all muslim SS units....
    opportunism, hitler would treat russians will if it meant they would fight or die for him. Remember that the slavic peoples, part of the socalled "axis of untermenschen", made up a significant part of the Axis armies in the east.

    I fear that muslims would have suffered the same fate as the jews many so despise should hitler have won the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy_Ivan80
    opportunism, hitler would treat russians will if it meant they would fight or die for him. Remember that the slavic peoples, part of the socalled "axis of untermenschen", made up a significant part of the Axis armies in the east.

    I fear that muslims would have suffered the same fate as the jews many so despise should hitler have won the war.
    That is quite sure. Almost inevitable in truth. But Turks don't know this, or so it seems.

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    And this is the suggestion to balance several thousands of volunteers fighting for the SS? Though again, as I said, it makes very little sense.
    Well, one might said that Nazis and Zionists pursued similar agenda: getting Jews out of Europe. I guess there is a mixed up here: according to Hennecke Kardel there was a project of forming Jewish troops within SA

    Can anyone tell me why Hitler hated Jews so much? Want A common enemy to unite all Germen? They can find lots "common enemy". need not to point to a special group, a specially influencial group Jews. Then what's else?
    There are many theories and attempts of explanations of his attitude towards them. Here is one of them:

    Hitler's father was the illegitimate child of a cook named (Maria Anna) Schickelgruber. This cook, the grandmother of Adolf Hitler, was working for a Jewish family named Frankenburger, when she became pregnant. Frankenburger paid Schickelbruber, a paternity allowance from the time of the child's birth up to his fourteenth year.
    From a secret report by the Nazi Hans Frank. Written in 1930
    Others believe his hatred developed through his experience while living rough in Vienna. The first signs of a strong hatred toward Jews appear in his immediate post-war utterances, and are quite clearly derived from the belief that "the Jews" had conspired to cause Germany's defeat. That belief was not invented by Hitler, but was quite widespread in nationalist circles, and Hitler simply absorbed it.


    Hitler's war tatics was wonderful (of course cannot omitt the Generals)
    Well...few good decisions did not make him military genius. I think I have to agree with Max Hastings who wrote in his excellent book "Armageddon" that early successes in war made Hitler fantasist and Stalin a realist


    I fear that muslims would have suffered the same fate as the jews many so despise should hitler have won the war
    A pure speculation - there is no evidence that Hitler was contemplating that.

    opportunism, hitler would treat russians will if it meant they would fight or die for him. Remember that the slavic peoples, part of the socalled "axis of untermenschen", made up a significant part of the Axis armies in the east
    German army should have acted as liberators and they could have assembled the large military force against Bolsheviks, with full support of population in areas they had controlled. Hitler could have become the leader of the largest force on earth- made up of anti-communist. The oldest rule of military aggression is you let the enemies join you. This has existed throughout history. Hitler thought he didn't need them. He paid for his racism and hostile attitude against Slavs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles
    How can Muslims have wanted Hitler to win the war?
    I thought that Turkey fought with the allies in WW2 and the central powers in WWI(Ottomans). There is therefore no reason for them to want Hitler to have won the war apart from wanting to 'scare' the West.
    Why do muslims like to believe in these stupid extremist views, that they don't seem to fully understand?
    Hitler killed millions of people, I don't know how he treated muslims but I bet it was not well.
    i know for sure that turks volunteered in the waffen ss, i dont know what turkey as a country did i have to admit.

    himmler hated christians and hitler didnt give a damn about religion at all.
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    interesting. on the other hand turks fought for germany in ww2 already.
    its just weird because sometimes the immigrant turks in germany get beaten up by skinheads who have the mein kampf on their bookselves. crazy world..allways in motion

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    man....what did we do to Turkey?
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    so now all of the sudden you're a nazi if you read mein kampf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike^_^
    so now all of the sudden you're a nazi if you read mein kampf?
    Well, if I wanted to do a research on Hitler's paranoia I would read the Mein Kampf as well, let's assume there's a lot of psychological researchers in Turkey... :wink:

    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles
    Didn't know that, thanks. Did any muslim countries actually fight with the axis though in WWII?
    There were palestinian volunteers in the SS as well, around 15000, sent by Arafat's own uncle. Furthermore, when Rommel advanced in Africa, there was a plan with the Arabs (supported by Mussolini as well) to "free" Iraq/Syria from British "yoke"...
    Last edited by Perikles; April 21, 2007 at 04:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    Well, if I wanted to do a research on Hitler's paranoia I would read the Mein Kampf as well, let's assume there's a lot of psychological researchers in Turkey... :wink:



    There were palestinian volunteers in the SS as well, around 15000, sent by Arafat's own uncle. Furthermore, when Rommel advanced in Africa, there was a plan with the Arabs (supported by Mussolini as well) to "free" Iraq/Syria from British "yoke"...
    There were also Zionist terrorist groups that contacted the Nazis to get aid against Britain (which was occupying Palestine at the time. Nazis refused.)
    "I will call them my people,
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    Quote Originally Posted by internationalist
    There were also Zionist terrorist groups that contacted the Nazis to get aid against Britain (which was occupying Palestine at the time. Nazis refused.)
    Aside from my opinion that this isn't true, can you see Jews going to Hitler for help? Silly, wouldn't it be...

    About the comment that there is nothing to worry in this sudden success of Hitler's all-time classic, I have to say: well of course, it is normal, that many people (50000 per month, according to the articles) buy the Mein Kampf. It is probably just innocuous curiosity...

    After all, why go to the local library and borrow it? That would be stupid. Better to spend money for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    Aside from my opinion that this isn't true, can you see Jews going to Hitler for help? Silly, wouldn't it be...
    Its documented...
    Anton La GUardia writes this:
    "This [the signing of a ceasefire between Irgun Tzva'i Le'umi, a Zionist terrorist group, and G.B.] led to the creation of a new splinter group, Lehi (lohamei Herut Israel , Fighters for the Freedom of ISrael, known as the Stern Gang), whose hatred of Britain was so intense that at one point it even sought an alliance with the Nazis."
    pgs. 115-116
    War Without End
    by Anton La Guardia
    "I will call them my people,
    which were not my people;
    and her beloved,
    which was not beloved"
    Romans 9:25

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