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    That issue was blowing all over the news tonight in Israel.
    Please note, I'm not going to write a lot about it. If you feel like your knowledge in this regard is incomplete, feel free to read about it online.

    To sum things up, here's the situation:
    Hamas holds a kidnapped Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, as captive. He's been kidnapped 5 years ago, and so far no one has any clue on whether or not he's dead.

    Israel holds some 11k Palestinian prisoners charged and convicted with terrorism. The largest part of which are members of the Gazan Islamist militant group Hamas.

    Gilad, the kidnapped Israeli soldier, is held without medical treatment, without being visited by the Red Cross. He is in captivity and his rights, as recognized by the international community, are ignored.
    Gilad never killed anyone. Nobody knows how much food and water he gets, though reports claim he's in a very bad shape and suffers from lack of vitamins, sun, underweight and medical care. Hamas released one video of him, and it seems these reports are right. He is not allowed to receive or send letters.

    The Palestinian prisoners in Israel receive visits on a regular basis from the Red Cross, get visits on a regular basis from their families, watch TV (many have TVs in their cells), get money from the government to buy snacks in the cafeteria (over 100$ each month per prisoner for snacks and soft drinks alone). They get to study for SATs and degrees, all on the expense of the Israeli government. They have internet access and Facebook profiles.
    Their cells resemble rooms in a motel more than a prison cell.
    They get full medical care, they get presents from family and friends and have computers for their own amusement. They receive quality food and three hot meals a day, alongside an open cafeteria where they can do pretty much anything. They get to exercise and read books.
    Most of them have blood on their hands. Many of them are related to bombings that killed dozens of Israelis each.

    Overall, a Palestinian terrorist receives better care than the average Israeli citizen. Many people are pretty mad about this and demand that Israel worsen their terms, prohibit them from studying at the expense of the country, watch TV or play the computer, see their families etc. etc.. Of course, they will still get medical treatment and visits from the Red Cross and food and water, and all their international rights will be preserved. They just won't live in luxury that fits upper-class citizens and instead be treated like the murderers and terror activists they are.
    Note: the prisoners at question aren't unarmed activists who protested and stuff. They all tried, or succeeded, in one way or another, hurt and/or kill Israeli citizens and/or soldiers.
    The decision to lower their imprisonment terms might be brought up for parliament debate later this month.

    So what do you say? Should Israel keep the current terms, or worsen them? What's your opinion on this subject?

    I'm asking everybody to stay on-topic, don't drag this into an unrelated IsraelVSPalestine mud pit.
    Last edited by Rome101; June 27, 2011 at 04:59 AM.
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    It's not going to help the image of Israel if they start treating prisoners worse. I'd think you'd want your country to maintain the moral high ground in this (not you in particular since it doesn't seem you said one way or another).
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    Israel is showing that they're better than Hamas by treating prisoners better, but yes, the luxury of their stay should be removed. It's a prison not a resort, they should have their basic rights and nothing more. BTW is it even known if Shalit is still even alive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Israel is showing that they're better than Hamas by treating prisoners better, but yes, the luxury of their stay should be removed. It's a prison not a resort, they should have their basic rights and nothing more. BTW is it even known if Shalit is still even alive?
    I agree.
    And no, nobody knows about his condition, dead, alive, healthy or sick. I'm putting my money on either dead or very ill, because he was gravely wounded when he was kidnapped and Hamas refuses to let anyone see and take care of him.

    Two politicians (whom I've never heard of before, so they're not like the president or anything) suggested to increase the pressure on Hamas with arresting their high-ranked officers, or taking them out. Personally I don't think it's a good idea because collateral damage will probably ensue. I prefer to give their prisoners only the most basic treatment, no TV or snacks or mommy coming over and giving them a good night sleep. This isn't summer camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome101 View Post
    I agree.
    And no, nobody knows about his condition, dead, alive, healthy or sick. I'm putting my money on either dead or very ill, because he was gravely wounded when he was kidnapped and Hamas refuses to let anyone see and take care of him.

    Two politicians (whom I've never heard of before, so they're not like the president or anything) suggested to increase the pressure on Hamas with arresting their high-ranked officers, or taking them out. Personally I don't think it's a good idea because collateral damage will probably ensue. I prefer to give their prisoners only the most basic treatment, no TV or snacks or mommy coming over and giving them a good night sleep. This isn't summer camp.
    You're right on the collateral damage, who's to say Shalit wasn't killed during Operation: Cast Lead? As for prisoners in Israel, If they're deprived of their TVs and snacks, Israel will get flak for it.
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    What would Frederik de Klerk do?
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    The image should stay the same. We all know that Israel is a reasonable legal state, while Hamas and the rest are terrorist organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    The image should stay the same. We all know that Palestine is a reasonable legal state, which the IDF and the rest keep in chains and horribly abuse .
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    Keep it as it is, you're not just holding Palestinian terrorists, your rehabilitating them, show them that the lies Hamas spread simply aren't true, and don't descend to their level.
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    Most 1st world nations allow prisoners visits from their family, access to television, internet, snacks etc.

    Rapists, murderers, even terrorists, such as ETA members in Spain, Islamic terrorists/ Dissident Republicans/ Loyalist paramilitaries in UK/Ireland. This is the norm in the world, I don't see why Israel should treat their prisoners more harshly than other nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubh the dark View Post
    Most 1st world nations allow prisoners visits from their family, access to television, internet, snacks etc.

    Rapists, murderers, even terrorists, such as ETA members in Spain, Islamic terrorists/ Dissident Republicans/ Loyalist paramilitaries in UK/Ireland. This is the norm in the world, I don't see why Israel should treat their prisoners more harshly than other nations.
    That is what I was thinking, I thought I heard that British prisoners get about the same, apart from a certain allocation of their money, which is sent to a victims fund. Or a prisoners fund. Not too sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    That is what I was thinking, I thought I heard that British prisoners get about the same, apart from a certain allocation of their money, which is sent to a victims fund. Or a prisoners fund. Not too sure.
    The reason most 1st world nations act this way is because, prisoners used to go quite mad without any form of entertainment. It was seen as a form of mental torture, an outdated practise that forced prisoners to dwell upon their crimes for hours in isolation until many lost their minds. Like they say you can judge a society from how it treats its prison population.
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    Damn, Israeli prison sounds like a good option in this recession, time to emigrate and join Hamaz so I can get free cable and broadband.
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    What about World of Warcraft? Are the Palestinians facing mandatory farming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome101 View Post
    Overall, a Palestinian terrorist receives better care than the average Israeli citizen.
    No... No they do not. Don't you live in Israel too? We're a first-world country.

    Anyway, as mentioned above, as a first-world country we have to treat prisoners humanely, we can't drop to the level of the Gazan terrorists or that of our lovely neighbours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
    No... No they do not. Don't you live in Israel too? We're a first-world country.

    Anyway, as mentioned above, as a first-world country we have to treat prisoners humanely, we can't drop to the level of the Gazan terrorists or that of our lovely neighbours.
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    @OP, do you think treating the prisoners harsher will accomplish getting captives back sooner?
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