Brussels police claim they are being forced to fast during ramadan...

[sabaku_no_gaara]

And are told to minimize fining and verbalising people in the area Molenbeek to not stir up anger or to not provoke the residents there.

http://translate.google.be/translate...-ramadan.dhtml

The mayor denies these claims, but this is the same mayor or who mimilizes the problems in Molenbeek and came in trouble when a marketing company situated in Molenbeek published an open letter to the mayor claiming he's ignoring the problems in Molenbeek, and listing attacks and crimes commited against employees of the company. The same mayor also came under a bit of controversy when the minister of defence repeatedly offered his municipality extra police officers and he consistently declines the offer.

The Mayor (from the PS: Parti Socialiste) sais it's all a political conspiracy by the way.

http://translate.google.be/translate...sterking.dhtml

and the open letter:
http://translate.google.be/translate...Moureaux.dhtml


Is the Walloon branch of the socialist party really this out of touch with reality?

The mayor should resign

[The Dude]

Freedom of religion was it? Guess not.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

The problem here is that particular mayor tough, he's an idealistic nutcase

[mongrel]

I have no proof," said Velle. Says it all really.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

still, if the police officers complaign about this every year, and even the union confirms this....

Why would they make it up?

[mongrel]

still, if the police officers complaign about this every year, and even the union confirms this....

Why would they make it up?

Who, how many and why? If someone can't put their name to it it is likely to be made up.



Do they read the Daily Mail perchance?

[sabaku_no_gaara]

Who, how many and why? If someone can't put their name to it it is likely to be made up.



Do they read the Daily Mail perchance?

we don't have the daily mail here

[Enemy of the State]

Probably overblown or flat out fabricated.

[MathiasOfAthens]

I call Bull

[Claudius Gothicus]

I don't know about actual cases of police forces being told to minimize controls. But this february I was in Brussels(only for a short time) and it looked like one big -hole.

[Dr. Croccer]

This sounds too stupid for words. Either the situation in Belgium is really out of control and the police are completely powerless, or this is made-up or exaggerated.

[Treize]

This sounds too stupid for words. Either the situation in Belgium is really out of control and the police are completely powerless, or this is made-up or exaggerated.

Hench it should be excluded from the area we are going to annex. And we should build a wall around it as well. (We could hire that company from that PVV guy.)

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

All the better for them if this is true. How else would they fast in proper devotion to God?

[saglam2000]

Well its a way to avoid conflict, eating in front of fasting people is a dickish move and would surely upset more conservative elements in the community.

Take it from the Muslim's perspective, you're fasting and i'm having lunch right in front of you, how would you feel?

[Dr. Croccer]

Well its a way to avoid conflict, eating in front of fasting people is a dickish move and would surely upset more conservative elements in the community.

Take it from the Muslim's perspective, you're fasting and i'm having lunch right in front of you, how would you feel?

I'm not going to whine because I fast because I want to. It's bizarre to expect other people to join your religious rituals. If you are unable to fast without , don't fast. 'Cause you're at it.

[Tyelkormo]

I'm not going to whine because I fast because I want to. It's bizarre to expect other people to join your religious rituals. If you are unable to fast without , don't fast. 'Cause you're at it.

I doubt anyone is seriously expecting police officers to join in the fasting. There's a huge difference between making a point out of eating in plain sight of everyone and having a snack in your patrol car, windows closed or making a five minutes detour during lunchbreak to have something in a different area.

Also, comparing yourself to this situation is having delusions of grandeur. There are worlds of difference between a private person acting in a certain way and a representative of the executive acting in a certain way. If you were to act e.g. in a racists manner, that's you being your personal d*head. If a police offer acts that way, as a representative of the government, and thus indirectly the general public, his or her actions have much wider implications.

[Ahlerich]

Well its a way to avoid conflict, eating in front of fasting people is a dickish move and would surely upset more conservative elements in the community.

Take it from the Muslim's perspective, you're fasting and i'm having lunch right in front of you, how would you feel?

i dont know, but i have a guy that is fasting a few times a year for non religious reasons and the rest of the company is still allowed to eat.

[Tiberios]

Well its a way to avoid conflict, eating in front of fasting people is a dickish move and would surely upset more conservative elements in the community.

Take it from the Muslim's perspective, you're fasting and i'm having lunch right in front of you, how would you feel?

Muslims can't expect others to participate in their religious rituals. If they can't look at other people eating them they can either stay at home or stop fasting. It's not everybody elses problem.

[white-wolf]

Well its a way to avoid conflict, eating in front of fasting people is a dickish move and would surely upset more conservative elements in the community.

Take it from the Muslim's perspective, you're fasting and i'm having lunch right in front of you, how would you feel?

Crap!

Take it from another muslim, you can not except others to do what you would like.

You are fasting, not them. It is your own job to control your "nefs". But, it would be very good gesture if they respect your fasting. However you can not want others do your wish, unless you are a millionaire.

[green tea]

I searched google news for "ramadan molenbeek". Until now the only websites that have this story are sites with lots of spelling errors (and I am sorry if I don´t spell everything right in english, but you can believe me, at least in german I am quite good at that) and lots of weird other news, for example on this site which also brings it:https://xinos.wordpress.com/2011/06/...madans-fasten/

On this remarkable site ("German earth -the truth can not be supressed for eternity", they also have this great news: http://xinos.wordpress.com/2011/06/2...k-uberlebte-2/

"Anne Frank survived Holocaust- death of Anne Frank international conspiracy - etc. etc."

So: is there any reliable source for this news in the net? I don´t say it didn´t happen, I just say that it is hard to believe if the only sites who spread this news obviously suffer from a very extreme right point of view.

And at saglam2000:

To fasten is your personal choice. When I go to a muslim country, I run around in modest clothes. I don´t go sightseeing in a mosque with shoes, etc. etc. . A muslim in europe can hardly expect that only because he believes he has to be so pious everyone else has to adapt to his strange ways.