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    Default UK Coalition Government: Your thoughts?

    It's difficult to truly gauge public political opinion these days, so I thought I might consult my erudite fellows

    I'll start with a short disclaimer: I do not support any of the political parties in the UK system, and so speak (I hope) without due bias.

    However, I don't think it can be argued that the New Labour government under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown was an absoloute farce. Beauracracy, unemployment and crime shot up, whilst half our gold reserves were sold off and the economy went to hell in a hand-basket. Not to mention a crappy international standing and two unwinnable guerilla wars. Whatever you might say about the Coalition; there are more favourable positions with which to start a political term.

    The coalition agreement was always a shady one, and personally I have lost all respect for the Liberal Democrats since Charles Kennedy left the scence. Since then they have exclaimed nothing but political infighting and a series of weak or scandalous leadership campaigns. Not being in power since the first world war, the Liberal Democrats were clearly desperate to get into office, and it would appear that the Conservatives used this to their advantadge and used the Liberal Democrats as the political fall guy as they started brutallising the public sector.

    But sadly brutallising was needed. The global economic crisis hit everywhere hard, and our over-extended beauracacy was in desperate need of being cut back. This resulted in job losses and pay cuts, and public opinion began to turn sour. Nonetheless, a nesscacerry evil, as there never was a viable alternative, and with the National Debt interest reaching insane levels, changes had to be made.

    My first major criticism of the Coalition government was their handling of the student fees. Perhaps it was pre-arranged, but the Liberals handled the political fallout very poorly, and the subsequent civil disorder was inexcusable. Greater care was needed to smooth out the ruffled feathers of a disilussioned youth. I take a risk by using the adjective, but the increase in student university fees was sorely needed, in my opinion, and also advantadgeous to the students themselves, if only they realised it. Post-graduate unemployment is at a record high, and the value of degrees is now utterly worthless. This is partly caused by ineffective testing standards, and foreign students clogging up the system. The increased fees will stop a lot of people going to University, which means less people graduating with degrees. Less degrees means less post-graduate unemployment, and so on. Outcries that the fees are too expensive and that it restricts the working class going to university is false, as everyone is entitled to a student loan, of which not a penny will be paid until the student is in a job earning over £25,000. However, if you can see through the media grandstanding, and have the courage to take a risk, going to University now and graduating in a few years once the economy begins to pick back up, could pay out huge dividends. The government legislation just creates increased risk for increased reward.

    The Coalition has kept to their word on immagration, and according to a report published by the office of National Statistics, the number of people being given asylum is dropping sharply.

    Whilst the "Big Society" campaign was percieved as a weak policy, the legislation has helped to minimise beauracracy and given more discretionary powers to local councils and administrations, which can only be a good thing.

    The Ministry of Defence did not escape the budget strikes, but MOD job losses and the scrapping of iconic naval warships and the Harrier jump-jet certainly plucked at the heartstrings of a nation. Nonetheless, the government seems focussed on modernising the Armed Forces from Cold War models and tactics into a newer, more flexible one, with projects into new equipment and anti-IED vehicles, such as the Mastiff armoured car. Upgrading our Nuclear weapons is also a firm commitment to maintaining the global nuclear deterrant.

    My second major criticisim of the government however, was the policy of giving 50% sentences to criminals who plead guilty in advance. This would have been flaunted by criminals and a further cut in a deeply wounded criminal justice system and prison service. However the policy has recently been scrapped, thankfully.

    That's all that I can think of off the top of my head right now, but all in all I think the government haven't been doing too badly... so far.

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    Undecided at the moment, though i appreciate the fact that this government seems to listen to people when they complain, rather than ignoring them completely like New Labour did.
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    I think it is stupid, so apparently they are to share the power but the Conservatives have the military backing, so what can the Liberals do? Nothing! There is your great British democracy at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojf View Post
    I think it is stupid, so apparently they are to share the power but the Conservatives have the military backing, so what can the Liberals do? Nothing! There is your great British democracy at work.
    Priceless. Please continue, you’re making me laugh.

    UK Coalition Government: Your thoughts?
    I’m so glad not to be ruled by opinion pollsters and tabloid headline writers anymore; I’ll put up with a whole load just in thanks for that.
    The labour party is still blaming the electorate for making the wrong decision; the liberals are still obsessed with being liked and thus pleasing no-one; so with any luck by next election the Tories will get a majority. Then we’ll get some proper policies enacted without any of this Liberal vacillation watering everything down.
    In the meantime there needs to be more of a narrative. At the moment we’ve had apparently disconnected policies with a few u-turns. It’s always difficult for a right-wing government to get a narrative across because the opposition (the majority leftist media and the BBC, not the two Eds) usually counter spin things in the worst possible light for the right. This is why a clear narrative is so important. It’s a shame this isn’t happening. Perhaps having to keep the liberals on-side has something to do with it.

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    I can't stand them. Especially the Lib Dems now. I can't stand Labour either though. I really don't think any of the political parties actually represent my political beliefs anymore.

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    However, I don't think it can be argued that the New Labour government under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown was an absoloute farce. Beauracracy, unemployment and crime shot up, whilst half our gold reserves were sold off and the economy went to hell in a hand-basket. Not to mention a crappy international standing and two unwinnable guerilla wars. Whatever you might say about the Coalition; there are more favourable positions with which to start a political term.
    Wrong Crime went Down and during most of new labour our unemployment figures were the lowest we had in decades. Infact 2009/10 figures showed the steepest drop in crime figures since records began. Unemployment only rose when the GLOBAL economy messed up which was outside the control of nearly all governments except the US which should have done something before it all happened.

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    My opinion:

    Pros:

    1. Cutting back on the rampant New Labour spending. National Debt needs to be brought back down.
    2. Introducing tuition fees. As mentioned in the OP, the value of a degree has nosedived and the number of "pretend" degrees is increasing. We need less graduates.
    3. Taking a harder stance towards the EU than New Labour did. I support the EU's goal of bringing Europe together, but the EU itself is an abomination, it needs a complete rethink.
    4. Giving more power over to local authorities, again identified in the OP.

    Cons:

    1. The SDSR. I'm not going to argue the military shouldn't have been cut, it's unrealistic to expect it to escape cuts where everything else feels the axe. The issue I have is that the SDSR seems to have been more of a cost-cutting exercise than a realistic review of requirements. It wouldn't have taken a genius to guess that the next most likely places to kick off after Afghan would be Yemen or Somalia, and while no one expected it the Arab Spring has kicked off, yet here we are with no Carriers. When our Carriers do arrive, they'll have no planes for something like 4 years. It wasn't a security review at all.

    2. Handing the NHS budget over to doctors. Or at least the plans to. I didn't see any issue to this at first, but doctors were apparently opposed to it and that, to me, seems like reason enough not to push on with it. That said, I've heard little about this of late, maybe it has been abandoned...



    This is all just off the tp of my head. I'm sure there will be other things I like/dislike and am just not recalling.

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    I think they are a bunch of basically sensible people with some fairly good ideas and bloody terrible PR and it is the PR that will sink them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    I think they are a bunch of basically sensible people with some fairly good ideas and bloody terrible PR and it is the PR that will sink them.
    Surely some of Tony Blair's spindoctors are available on the market? They got pretty good at it, I would recommend hiring them.

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    Burn them at the stake.

    EDIT: In all seriousness though, I agree with Denny, PR is what will get them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    Burn them at the stake.

    EDIT: In all seriousness though, I agree with Denny, PR is what will get them.
    Do you ever wonder what is making them so retarded? I mean I thought Labour was fundamentally flawed at an ideological level and their policies were mostly just about spending their way back into power, corruption, nepotism or knee jerk reactions but they span it so well and have such predatory interview and debate skills that people love them. Why the hell can't the conservatives make a half decent attempt at fighting them back. Not sure we can survive another 12 years of Labour reaction-ism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Do you ever wonder what is making them so retarded? I mean I thought Labour was fundamentally flawed at an ideological level and their policies were mostly just about spending their way back into power, corruption, nepotism or knee jerk reactions but they span it so well and have such predatory interview and debate skills that people love them. Why the hell can't the conservatives make a half decent attempt at fighting them back. Not sure we can survive another 12 years of Labour reaction-ism.
    Hopefully people will just overlook the PR and look at the actual laws being passed. Fat chance of that happening though.
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    Well didn't hear many people complaining about Labour bringing in the plethora of new laws (3000 new laws?) whilst police pretty much couldn't remember anything but the same 800 but the costs of this....staggering how inefficient it makes things.

    I heard the conservatives were going to have a metaphorical book burning of these laws but that escaped the media of course.

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    It makes the public feel good when the goverment brings in more laws, even if they are ineffectual, and awfully awfully worded. Labour gets in by playing the PR card, Conservatives get in with decent policies.

    I find myself wishing that Labour had better policies.
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    I agree with their decision on tuition fees although I would probably not mention it in front of a bunch of students. Currently I'm not paying those 9k fees but I will be on my second degree.
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    I ing hated the coalition the day it was formed by those scummy Lib Dems smelling power and jumping into bed with Chummy Dave.

    "We don't want tuition fees"............"No wait, tough you pay NAO."

    Yes, I am a student.

    Nick Clegg is a sell out, his party should have never elected him. By joining this coalition his party removes itself from potential election victory for a lifetime. Seriously. Let's join the Tories and have our referendum on AV WHICH NOBODY WANTED (Tories must have loved that one).

    Then, in return for the referendum, we let the Tories re-draw the boundaries of the constituencies, the new map will mean the Lib Dems lose 25% of it's MPs. Real good decision to let the Tories have this in return for a doomed-from-the-start referendum.

    Don't even get me started on the SDSR. I knew the forces needed cuts, but seriously, leaving us with no carriers and no carrier-capable-fighters THEN getting us involved in an overseas war that demands carrier-capable-fighters is really clever.

    The sooner it all falls to pieces the better.

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    I think it's pretty clear the Tories and Lib Dems are quite uneasy bed fellows. The Tory back benches in particular seem to dislike sharing power with the Lib Dems. The notion the Lib Dems would be a moderating influence on the Tories I think has proven to be wrong. The coalition was a master stroke on the Tories' part - they have played the Lib Dems quite well. The Lib Dems are attracting quite a bit of negative media coverage, drawing fire away from the Tories and Nick Clegg is too busy trying to keep control of his own party instead of actually challenging David Cameron. A great many Lib Dem supporters feel they have been betrayed and their ideals sold out by Clegg.

    I'll agree with previous posters, 1997-2010 was disastrous for this country. Blair and Brown did an awful lot of damage to the UK. However, I'm far from convinced this coalition is any better.

    I agree with the spending cuts - we need to get government spending back under control and to restore efficiency.

    I agree with raising tuition fees, far too many people go to university in this country and it has thoroughly devalued the UK degree.

    I agree with reforming the welfare system and the sentiment that the British people can no longer be trusted to use the system responsibly.

    The immigration cap is a step in the right direction, as is the harder line being taken with the EU.


    I don't agree with how the NHS is being reformed - although it is in need of reform - against the wishes of so many doctors.

    I don't agree with SDSR which was quite clearly driven by a cost cutting imperative rather than real strategy. It makes me even angrier when you consider just after taking a chainsaw to defence the Coalition took us into yet another highly questionable war.

    I don't see much being done to address the long litany of social problems in this country. I don't see any attempt to improve our failing education system. Considering our current financial situation I think it's pretty clear now that dismantling our industrial base and moving towards a service based economy was a mistake - I'd like to see a serious attempt at rebuilding some kind of manufacturing or industrial base in the UK.


    One positive thing though is that Labour were severely weakened by their election defeat and Ed Miliband is quite clearly way out of his depth as Labour Leader. It was bad news for Labour when Ed got the leadership and not his brother, who I think would have been a very credible Opposition Leader.

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    Why Labour elected Ed over David is beyond me. David always seemed very confident and calm when he was in the spotlight - all I've ever seen from Ed is him looking flustered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Nud View Post
    Why Labour elected Ed over David is beyond me. David always seemed very confident and calm when he was in the spotlight - all I've ever seen from Ed is him looking flustered.
    I believe David actually got more votes from Labour Party members, but what swung it for Ed were the votes he got from the trade unions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    I don't get all the whining about the SDSR. Are we coping in Libya? Yes. So all of the doom and gloom merchants are just exercising their inexplicable desire to have a strong military at any costs (apparently more than saving UK lives, pounds there is less pounds in essential services), at times I think the UK has more in common with the USA than we think.
    It's because the Government apparently still wants us to be a major world player and exercise our influence in foreign affairs. However, to do so we must have certain military capabilities to be taken seriously on the world stage. Those capabilities are being steadily eroded and will result in the UK military being at the very best nothing more than a small division of the US military, and at worst the UK being downgraded to a "nobody" on the world stage.

    So we must decide who and what we want to be on the world stage. If, as appears to be the case we are to be able to fight two expeditionary wars whilst maintaining a continuous military presence in the South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, and East Africa as well as periodic presences in the Caribbean, Far East and Mediterranean then we are going to have to adequately fund the military to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pielstick View Post
    I believe David actually got more votes from Labour Party members, but what swung it for Ed were the votes he got from the trade unions.



    It's because the Government apparently still wants us to be a major world player and exercise our influence in foreign affairs. However, to do so we must have certain military capabilities to be taken seriously on the world stage. Those capabilities are being steadily eroded and will result in the UK military being at the very best nothing more than a small division of the US military, and at worst the UK being downgraded to a "nobody" on the world stage.

    So we must decide who and what we want to be on the world stage. If, as appears to be the case we are to be able to fight two expeditionary wars whilst maintaining a continuous military presence in the South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, and East Africa as well as periodic presences in the Caribbean, Far East and Mediterranean then we are going to have to adequately fund the military to do so.
    Is the military coping? Yes, yes it is. So...?

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