Nazi Germany and US

[wcwraymond]

Please Answer the following Questions:

1. Compare this two place: Auschwitz and Guantanamo
- with both place prisoning "prisoners" without justified trials and come from occupied countries.Both torturing prisoners.

2. Compare this two guy: Condoleezza Rice and Heinrich Himmler
- both with a name consist of 15 letters
- who both serving a war-like mad nuts
- both like using cannons and machine-guns (or gas chambers) to debate

3. Compare this two Troops: German Wermacht and American Army
-both are free from the international war-guilt court
-both are garrisoning in countries apart from their own one.
-both have mass-destructive weapons
-both killed many civilians
-both armys suffers heavy loss in other countries from militia and partisans.

4. Compare this two man: Adolf Hitler and George Bush
-both war-like
-both have lower intelligence
-both love to say crazy things
-both fond of acting without considering consequence
-both loves to sing : (Deutchland/America) Uber Alles in der Welt!
-both loves to demonstrate influence or interference in other's countries
-both killers
-both have low support in other countries

Not intending to insult anyone. Just comparing facts :-)

[Kanaric]

lol dont compair the US to nazi germany, its the seed for a flame war and it makes no sense.

[MadKow]

lol dont compair the US to nazi germany, its the seed for a flame war and it makes no sense.

Not Yet. But you are right. Helps no one to do that sort of comparison.

But some advocate the Fuhrer principle for Bush: the leader should be above the law... (like on that wiretaping mess)

[Vash_the_stampede]

How leftist indoctrinated can one be to open such a comparison?
Oh and by the way, it's DeutSchland.

[rez]

Auchwitz and Guantanamo? Seriously man theres a big difference between extermination and harsh/wrongful imprisonment (in some cases)

[Cyrvak]

1. Compare this two place: Auschwitz and Guantanamo

That is the most absurd statement I’ve heard this month. Guantanamo is a holding facility, with regular U.N. inspections. Not a facility to massacre… oh say, six million Arabs.

2. Compare this two guy: Condoleezza Rice and Heinrich Himmler

Condi: Educated, fluent linguist who is classically trained with the piano, multiple university degrees, diplomat… Himmler: Nazi, discriminating, murderer… yeah those to are real similar… As for using “using cannons and machine-guns (or gas chambers) to debate” that’s almost more asinine than your last statement… show me one instance that Condi actually killed someone and I’ll show you a former secretary… Himmler was a murdering SOB, the two are nothing alike.

3. Compare this two Troops: German Wermacht and American Army

Oh were to begin… 1. They may not appear in international court on a regular basis but those who are found guilty of crimes are sentenced through a military tribunal, the only difference is the prison they go to… unless you’d like to say that Non-U.S. prisons are better for Punishing prisoners… but wait… that would kinda negate your first point, so we wont go there… 2. Garrisoning the countries in which they are currently stationed… what would you rather them do? Hover above the ground? Fly in from several hundred miles away each time there is an engagement? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense… 3. Killing civilians is an unfortunate effect of war, its called collateral damage, nobody likes it, its just a part of war. Additionally, Sadam killed hundreds of thousands of his own civilians before the U.S. took him out of power, perhaps you should be comparing Nazi Germany with the pre-liberated Iraq. 4. You mean to tell me that people actually die in war?! OMG! That’s only been the case in every war since the dawn of time… how did I not see this coming!

4. Compare this two man: Adolf Hitler and George Bush

I’m sorry, but that’s a bit too far… Bush isn’t advocating the slaughter of an entire people… Bush Graduated from an Ivy League university, not to mention he has some of the smartest people in the country as advisors. The rest of your points are too moronic to respond to… this is without doubt the most ignorant, biased, poorly thought out thread I have ever seen on the TWC forums.

[Major König]

Auchwitz and Guantanamo? Seriously man theres a big difference between extermination and harsh/wrongful imprisonment (in some cases)

The thread starter blew everything out of porportion. Another Bush hater? Anyway, there is a differeance between wrongful imprisonment and harsh treatment, and being gassed. And I never heard of Himmler debating with cannons or machine guns, nor Condoleeza Rice. The Wehrmacht and the US Army are fighting machines, and both are subject to court martialing and other Army disciplines, as well as larger consequences depending on the 'crime'. Hitler and Bush are so different. For one, Hitler wished to exterminate a race. Bush just wants to defeat some 'terrorists'/'insurgents'. Bush doesn';t spout anywhere near the amount of trash Hitler did. One more thing, Bush is a republican and Hitler was a National Socialist. Get over it.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

I agrew with Rez, who is under the patronage of Kscott the Morbid.
Yeah, although I don't really agree with Bush's foreign policy, I *don't* think he's as bad as Hitler. America's bombs and actions have killed only a few houndred thousand innocent people whereas Hitler's actions resulted in the deaths of millions.

[mike^_^]

but it's undeniable, as these events unfold, that it is America who will be seen as the agitator for this new world war. and it is we the people who will take the blame and persecution for the policies of our murderous government

4. Compare this two man: Adolf Hitler and George Bush
-both war-like
-both have lower intelligence
-both love to say crazy things
-both fond of acting without considering consequence
-both loves to sing : (Deutchland/America) Uber Alles in der Welt!
-both loves to demonstrate influence or interference in other's countries
-both killers
-both have low support in other countries

edited out

-archer

[Ummon]

Nobody in his right mind would believe this. Well, this allows for a great thread, full of posts! :wink:

[HorseArcher]

we'll keep an eye on this thread as we usually do with such a topic.

On the other hand, i disagree with every single comparsion on the list.
especially putting Hitler with Bush saying "both lower intelligence".

Hitler had a lot more intelligence then Bush, but Hitler was far more evil.
Bush is just a little yehh-hahh southern boy who's been used as a puppet, but he is definetely nothing like Hitler.

the list is completely nonsense.

[Søren]

Ok, I'm re-opening this thread, as the points are valid and offer some possibility of constructive debate. (though personally, I disagree with them)

However, I don't want this thread to dilute into ranting against Bush, the U.S Government or even Hitler. If any of you have something to say, please make it address the point at hand, being topical to it as threads of this type all to easily pass off onto irellevent (sp?) tangents.

Please notice this warning, as we will be keeping a close eye on this thread to ensure topicality and that it does not turn into a flame war.

Thanks

[IMPERATOR_5]

So I can reply now or what?
I meen can I put up the thing I wrote a little while ago to this thread now as it was supposed to?

Merged double post, please use the edit button whenever you want to add something-Valus
I guess your question was answered as you have typed a reply...

[Ahlerich]

1. death camp in germany killed many ppl systemetically - guantanamo is not set up to remove a race/religion
2. himmler was a pagan that got power by building an political army based on the nazi ideology. he was searching for the holy grale eg and was a mad man when it comes to wiping out a religion/race. he was a mass murderer of civilians and maybe the real origin of the holocaust
3.in relation to wars the wehrmacht didnt kill more civilians than any other succsessful army. wehrmacht was the best equpped and trained army in ww2 the us army now is best equipped and maybe trained to..there i see a comparison to a certain degree.
4. hitler was crazy, charismatic and great speakerand fanatic. not necessaryly of lower intelligence. bush has no charisma, no talent in speaking and i dont know of his intelligence, there might be other reasons why he is a political fool. Deutschland ueber alles..what the :wub:. thats our national anthem..evry citizens takes his country over others..every good citizen. that has nothing to do with hitler or bush. well both got power by pointing out one enemy to gain lots of support by the majority and the mob to become powerful enough to take democracy apart. comparable but only to e certain degree sence we all know hitler went further..

all in all they are not comparable i thing. there are some similarities in how they gained power..but hitler drove it way faster so it would be polemicto discuss them on the same level
4.

[IMPERATOR_5]

Hitler is as stupid as bush... I dont think so.. hitler was far more intelligent than bush.. im not taking any ones side here but right is right.. serriously how can you compare bush to hitler?
did bush start a world war? did bush kill alot of people in concentration camps that wasnt the same race as himself? low support? hitler had support from lots of countries. but when he started to annex sudetenland, austria and invaded poland then the tables were turned. Many almost every one didnt have a clue that at the concentration camps that people were killed.
People hasnt been killed at guantanamo.. but I dont agree with bush that he can just go to another country to arrest people (CIA). And that the US can do what ever the :wub: they want.
They are thinking that they are the roman empire or something.. europe can handle the problems. USA has interfered in other countries buisness since the end of world war 2. and now between 2003-2005 they put over 400 billion dollors on their military. making it the most military spending country in the world. and the brittish are kissing USA's a**. not all of them of course but many in there goverment. Ok USA and FN are fighting for world peace but seriously war cant just dissapear. as long as there is hate it will always be war.. You cant just make something of the human nature dissapear when it has been living in us ever since the begining of mankind. Of course you can hope for world peace.. but that wouldnt last for long..
Maybe it sounds really wrong but maybe the world can be united with just war. look at alexander empire, he wanted it to become an equal empire but still it was rebeling and when he died everything collapsed.. great powers dont lasts forever.

a little off topic but I wanted to say this . sorry if its some poor spelling

[Justinian]

That general idea being the silliest propaganda comparison I've ever seen, I'll spare you and only focus on one small point.

-both have lower intelligence

Hitler was very intelligent.

[Farnan]

Please Answer the following Questions:

1. Compare this two place: Auschwitz and Olympic Committee building in Baghdad- with both place prisoning "prisoners" without justified trials and come from occupied countries.Both torturing prisoners.

2. Compare this two guy: Qusay Hussein and Heinrich Himmler
- who both serving a war-like mad nuts
- both like using cannons and machine-guns (or gas chambers) to debate

3. Compare this two Troops: German Wehrmach and Republican Guard-both are free from the international war-guilt court
-both killed many civilians

4. Compare this two man: Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein
-both war-like
-both have lower intelligence
-both love to say crazy things
-both fond of acting without considering consequence
-both loves to sing : (Deutchland/America) Uber Alles in der Welt!
-both loves to demonstrate influence or interference in other's countries
-both killers
-both have low support in other countries

Not intending to insult anyone. Just comparing facts:-)

ummm...yea edited for truth

[Kanaric]

The fact he was able to come to power in such a way and exploit the people like he did and their ideology and then succesfully brainwash them should show more than anything that he was smart.

He just had no idea how to run a military and was a megalomaniac.

megalomania:
* is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
* believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people
* requires excessive admiration
* strong sense of entitlement
* takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
* lacks empathy
* is often envious or believes others are envious of him
* arrogant affect

that is hitler, lol.

[barbarion horde]

I think comparing Aushwitz with Guantanamo is an insult to holocaust victims.

Plus Hitler was a very popular(early on), charismatic , and a master orator.

Last time I checked, Bush isn't very popular in the U.S and his approval rating is as low as Nixon's approval rating after the watergate scandal, and that's pretty bad.

[imb39]

I think comparing Aushwitz with Guantanamo is an insult to holocaust victims.

Amen to that... I thoroughly disagree with the Gitmo situation but to compare the two situations is reprehensible imo. It totally devalues the atrocities completed during WW2. Gitmo is an injustice, not an atrocity.

I won't necessarily agree with Bush's oratory skills though. He has a certain charm, yes, but we had Churchill as a war time leader. He ain't Churchill by any stretch of the imagination and is, quite frankly, a coward when it comes to personal safety. How long did it take for him to visit New York? How long for him to visit New Orleans? Too long. He is the leader and needs to lead. Part of his role is to inspect quickly and reassure those directly involved - not emplore from the safety of a bunker or large white building with a round room.