Bush needs to resign asap

[Ummon]

The current geopolitical condition is a mess. Russia is increasingly antagonistic towards the US and Europe, China is growing as a non-democratic world superpower, Europe is in a state of political paralysis, Africa a total disaster, South America a politically west-abandoned continent, and Islam a difficult guest to deal with everywhere.

Bush's repeated blunders and general impopularity make him a danger for the cause he is supposed to lead, and for the country he is supposed to govern. The only answer remains, IMHO, that he immediately resigns. Will he do it? No. But he should.

[Sétanta]

Who said these are all Bush's Blunders.

Bush is the figurehead of a government. not the government itself.

call for the resignation of all of congress while your at it.

of course i am sure you would only like the republican leaders to resign

[GambleFish]

Who said these are all Bush's Blunders.

Bush is the figurehead of a government. not the government itself.

call for the resignation of all of congress while your at it.

of course i am sure you would only like the republican leaders to resign

Well, if the Rebuplicans have control over every aspect of the government, I'd say they are mostly responsible for the mess we are in. Just a thought...

[Sétanta]

Well, if the Rebuplicans have control over every aspect of the government, I'd say they are mostly responsible for the mess we are in. Just a thought...

And the democrats blindly get led to the slaughter?

[Ummon]

Who said these are all Bush's Blunders.

Bush is the figurehead of a government. not the government itself.

call for the resignation of all of congress while your at it.

of course i am sure you would only like the republican leaders to resign

In the present situation, Bush is simply the worst man for the job. Infact, I would vote republican if I were in the US, but this doesn't stop me from seeing reality.

It's a matter of how he is perceived, as much as his low leadership capabilities.

[Scar Face]

of course i am sure you would only like the republican leaders to resign

Oh ya, asking a fool to resign is another conspiracy aganst the good ol republicans eh mudd?

[Cyrvak]

Islam a difficult guest to deal with everywhere.

Bush's repeated blunders and general impopularity make him a danger for the cause he is supposed to lead, and for the country he is supposed to govern. The only answer remains, IMHO, that he immediately resigns. Will he do it? No. But he should.

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The current geopolitical condition is a mess

You can hardly blame that on Bush, thats the result of decades of a duel-party system.

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Russia is increasingly antagonistic towards the US and Europe

I'd contend that Russia's 'increasingly antagonistic' stance towards the US and Europe is a result of thier own political and economic state. Theres no denying that they dont look favorably on our current foreign policy but thats hardly unique to Russia alone, theres no reason that they shouldnt. Russia is becoming a more independant nation, as can be seen through recent treaty negotiations with North Korea and Iran. Personally I think a more independant Russia should be encouraged.

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China is growing as a non-democratic world superpower

Thats hardly Bush's fault... not to mention the fact that its inevitable anyway, what with the increased industrialization of China, the massive population/workforce, military strength and increasing econ/technology. Theres absolutely nothing Bush could have done to stop it. Slown it down, sure, but not without pissing off China and crippling the U.S. economey.

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Europe is in a state of political paralysis, Africa a total disaster, South America a politically west-abandoned continent

Again, I fail to see how that is the problem of the Presidents, or Americas for that matter.
It may just be the Isolationist in me but I think Europe, Africa, and South America should take care of themselves, especially with all the complaining about the U.S. that they do. I personally think we should spend more time/money/effort fixing up the U.S. econ. and domestic issues before we attempt to 'help the world' and dont feed me crapy quotes from terrible movies like 'with great power comes great responsibility.'

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Islam a difficult guest to deal with everywhere.

Again, try not to depict Bush as the source of all the worlds problems... we dont seem to be having any riots here in america, no real tension issues between Musilms and Non-Muslims such as they did in France and Denmark... Trying to pin this on Bush is absolutely ludicrous. Makes me glad Im a libritarian and can look past biased sources when it comes to politics and make up my own mind

[Last Roman]

Thats hardly Bush's fault... not to mention the fact that its inevitable anyway, what with the increased industrialization of China, the massive population/workforce, military strength and increasing econ/technology. Theres absolutely nothing Bush could have done to stop it. Slown it down, sure, but not without pissing off China and crippling the U.S. economey.

you're right that isn't Bush's fault. But there was a time when that wasen't inevitable. American corporations looked for cheap labor outside the US and went to China, thus industry in China grew. If the corporations had kept the manufacturing jobs here, I don't think China would be on the rise

[Sétanta]

In the present situation, Bush is simply the worst man for the job. Infact, I would vote republican if I were in the US, but this doesn't stop me from seeing reality.

It's a matter of how he is perceived, as much as his low leadership capabilities.

His leadership capabilities?
Is everything that goes wrong in the world Bush's fault?

Non-Americans scream to get left alone because the US is always "interfering" but whenever something DOES go wrong its never their fault. fingers always go to bush.

The stuff you listed is hardly his fault. The president guides world politics, he don't make em

[Legio XX Valeria Victrix]

His leadership capabilities?
Is everything that goes wrong in the world Bush's fault?

Non-Americans scream to get left alone because the US is always "interfering" but whenever something DOES go wrong its never their fault. fingers always go to bush.

The stuff you listed is hardly his fault. The president guides world politics, he don't make em

Fine. If you can't agree that what Ummon used is proof that Bush is an ineffectual leader, I have four letters to share with you. IRAQ. And that's just for starters.

Then there's Afghanistan*, a campaign he bungled so badly that it would even make guys like Dan Quayle say "WOW, what a failure!"

Those two wars CAN and SHOULD be laid directly at Bush's feet.

* Please note that I supported the invasion of Afghanistan as justified and necessary, but the mistakes made prior to and after the invasion took place are failures of a monumental proportion.

[Maron]

* Please note that I supported the invasion of Afghanistan as justified and necessary, but the mistakes made prior to and after the invasion took place are failures of a monumental proportion.

what failures have occured in afghanistan?

jus wonderin

[Ummon]

His leadership capabilities?

Committing his resources to the wrong task in all occasions, not being able to maintain old alliances, putting everything on a massive strain because of Iraq war, a war which was to say the least unnecessary and unwarranted.

Is everything that goes wrong in the world Bush's fault?

Yes, as long as he is charged with governing, and he fails.

Non-Americans scream to get left alone because the US is always "interfering" but whenever something DOES go wrong its never their fault. fingers always go to bush.

This may be because of bias, or because of his bad qualities and even worse results.

The stuff you listed is hardly his fault. The president guides world politics, he don't make em

I tend to disagree: the matters I have quoted are not entirely his fault. But partly? Yes.

And this is not matter of fault. The world is no kindergarten. He is hampering the efforts to reduce trouble worldwide, by his own sheer impopularity. Additionally, consider the port deal. Overall, the impression Bush gives is that he doesn't have a clue about what he is doing. If only the democrats had not forgotten that a presidential candidate is needed to win the elections...

The world is more peaceful now then it has ever been. The only two worries in my mind is Islam and China. These two are going to be causing seroius disruption in the near future.

I disagree. And additionally, have you ever heard the expression "the calm before the storm?". Now if this is calm, imagine the storm.

[1{H][NA]

just curious, to what point does the public have to disagree with the admin before we can kick him out? as a democracy dont we the people have the power to remove a president if we dont like him before the 4 years is up?

personally, i think america is in desperate need of a multi party system.

[Justinian]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: America will continue to slowly rot from the inside out if the Republicrats stay in power (put that in bold so you know I'm not talking about Republicans).

Though Bush has completely bungled everything and is hated worldwide, a new president wouldn't change the situation, the blame would just be shifted somewhere else. Where the blame really lies is in our two-party system. We need at least a major third party to upset the balance and keep our government from stagnating.

At present I think the US should be worrying about sorting out its internal issues instead of running around policing the world. Isolationism didn't do us that much good - in fact we emerged as a major power only AFTER ending that policy - but for now we should stop trying to do the UN's job.

[Yorkshireman]

just curious, to what point does the public have to disagree with the admin before we can kick him out? as a democracy dont we the people have the power to remove a president if we dont like him before the 4 years is up?

personally, i think america is in desperate need of a multi party system.

Would'nt be much point in holding elections if you could just kick someone out halfway through a term of office, it would render them pointless.

Was'nt he elected legally by the majority of the US poplace? It's not like he came to power in a coup-d'etat.

[technishn08]

Russia is increasingly antagonistic towards the US and Europe

you are right to say this, and because of current events, the condition between the U.S. and Russia (Old Rivals) has gotten even worse. Recent intelligemce has proven that russia provided information on u.s. troop positions to insugents in Iraq. I dont know if anyone here has seen V for Vendetta, but it predicted that the U.S. would go through aradical civil war. And, unfortunately, i think that might actually happen. I mean, look at our situation. people from blue states wont talk to people from red states. they hate eachother. political parties are reduced to underhanded tactics and the supreme court/ congress are both preodminatly ruled by republicans because of our idiot president who, in a recent poll, recieved the lowest approval rating of any u.s. president, ever! The wars in the middle east will probably turn out to be a war that cannot be won. the people there cannnot, will not submit, and this is what many pro-war people fail to see. They think they will except democracy after thousands of years of dictators and kings. Even as a democracy, they will hate us. Plus, back to russia. What will happen, is we will probably enter a cold war. condolleza rice said that if the allegations against th erussian government proved to be true, our diplomatic stance with russia will change. how? when? will we go to war with them? i hope not. Russia could easily become allies wiht middle eastern countries, pakistan, and india because they are a major supplier of wmds. as i said earlier, we would probably enter another cold war, because we would both be afraid fo going to wars (the u.s. and russia ebing two of the most powerful countires in the world. as for china, what would happen? would communist china side with the u.s., russia, or stay nuetral? my guess is that they would remain neutral in the beginning, the side with russia if it was wining. i dont know, i just think that this country is headed down a road to destruction

[technishn08]

o ya. thats y bush should be impeached lol. its obvious he cant help us out of this hole. But after thinking about it, hes not going to be impeached because his party controls practically the entire government. so i think all of us true americans who actually want to help other people in this world, not just start wars for oil, will just have to stick out this republican regime, and hope that next time election roles by, we get a democrat who can actually think.

lol i hope that didnt sound too much like a rant

[Legio XX Valeria Victrix]

I can see where Ummon is coming from, although I agree that laying all of those world issues at Bush's feet is unfair, and this is coming from a guy who hates the man, btw. In short, overall I agree with Ummon that he should resign, but my reasons are somewhat different.

I think he should resign because he has clearly proven incapable of leading the country in perhaps its darkest hour in recent memory. Iraq is a mess, Afghanistan a never-ending quagmire (oh yes, the q-word applies here) where al Qaeda and Tableban forces still remain at large in many provinces, OBL is still alive and probably well into planning the next attack on the US, American allies of 8 years ago are looking at us with ill will, domestic issues like the deficit, social security, and universal healthcare remain within reach but are left aside in favor of more wild-goose chases for terrorists.

But most of all, Bush has an unavoidable and unerasable stigma associated with his very personality. It's a stigma that makes his job even harder than if he were just a poor leader. He can't get what he wants to get done, done. Even his own party members are breaking with him. Only 34% of the American population approves of his leadership. He has 'lame duck' written all over him.

So, he should resign. But we all know he won't...

[Justinian]

Forgot to say this: if Bush resigned Dick Cheney would be President.

Don't resign!

[Virgil]

Forgot to say this: if Bush resigned Dick Cheney would be President.

Don't resign!

But then, after being excited by the news - he has a fatal heart attack and dies. That would put what, the speaker of the house next in line who is Tom Delay I think right? Wait he had to resign - damn we're running out of politicians.