Emergent Characters

[SonofPeverel]

With all of the talk of SS 6.x or SS 7.x and what should be in each I was wondering if people would like to see some hero, emergent character, historical, type events in the game. If so who, and why?

[k/t]

There's already Wallace.

No, I wouldn't, because history is being changed by you (me).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W59VmxswP-Q

[SonofPeverel]

I agree that if a character emerges they would have to be someone like wallace who was not a member of the ruling family. ie..henry V could not emerge as he will not be the king of england if he emerges. What do you think about other characters like wallace emereging?

[ihranator]

It's a good idea. Just make em first for the struggling factions like Crusader State to help them out.

[Dr. Freeman]

yeah like crusades or something? the 6th, 8th and 9th crusade were targeting the middle east later then 1220 so they wouldnt interfere with the campaign times, saying you play late era campaign

[zekic]

Yeah i belive there should be emergent characters whos lives we cant change(You cant order to exterminate whole janna d'arc family so she wont be born for example)
What do you think about "Meybe" realistic figures like robin hood? i mean on one hand they could bring alot of fun to the game(For example if your public order is low and taxes high you get message that robin hood stole XXX sum of your money and gave it to the poor,it gives an increased public order for some time but of course takes money from your treasure),however on the other hand for some it may hurt realism very much.

[The Source]

El Cid for aragon(early)
richard and phillip II for crusader states appearing 1190 i believe it was around(early)
joan of arc for france

[Anesthetize]

I've yet to see Wallace emerge. I'm pretty sure I've seen all possible triggers, but no Wallace ever. Starting to believe he is just a myth!

Definitely would like more historical emergents, adds to the game nicely. Even events like the barbarian uprisings in bulgaria (early) add flavour. Scotland should also be a re-emerging faction.

[Ediblemittens]

I've yet to see Wallace emerge. I'm pretty sure I've seen all possible triggers, but no Wallace ever. Starting to believe he is just a myth!

Definitely would like more historical emergents, adds to the game nicely. Even events like the barbarian uprisings in bulgaria (early) add flavour. Scotland should also be a re-emerging faction.

I got it about a turn after I invaded Scotland as England. Interestingly, Wallace wasn't the only emergent character... another Scottish general spawned with an identical army to Wallace the same turn as Wallace.

[k/t]

"El Cid for aragon(early)"

He died a year before the campaign starts.

I don't like these emergent guys because they were triggered by a specific situation. This is an alternate history now. Just put in the sub-mod that makes factions come back to life.

[bɑne]

Just put in the sub-mod that makes factions come back to life.

Which one was that again?

[k/t]

Which one was that again?

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=443124

[TheHarazzer]

I think Martin Luther would fit perfectly.

[HUSKY]

I have to agree with k/t on we are changing history with in the first 2 turns. But who is to say that if Scotland gets down to just one region they could not have an emergent character that would do the same thing as wallace. We would just call him wallace becouse he is the one we know. But in reality he could emerge very late based on what england does or even norway invading.

[recentiy03]

I think Martin Luther would fit perfectly.

Great idea! HRE already seems to get in a lot of trouble with the Catholic Church...make him a 10-piety heretic. Although that will likely only enhance their eventual downfall in most campaigns. Richard the Lionheart is a good idea as an emerging character for the CS...or even as an English general who lands in the Holy Lands but fights in an alliance with the CS. Afterall, King Baldwin was Richard's cousin. I wouldn't have much of a problem with Richard not being King of England, since most of the significant events in his life took place away from England. Likewise, Saladin would be another good choice...if the dates fit. I tend to play late campaigns so I am not even sure when early campaigns begin.

[ihranator]

We need emergent characters that help the underdog factions gain a chance against the vicious cycle of doom that befalls them almost every game. They don't have to be historical.

[SonofPeverel]

We need emergent characters that help the underdog factions gain a chance against the vicious cycle of doom that befalls them almost every game. They don't have to be historical.

havnt thought of that, but it could be good. with history being changed by the game the emergent characters wouldnt have to be historical but they could help a weak faction and make the game a bit more realistic. By that i mean that in all reality people like wallace arose to inspire their people so it should happen here in some way. imo

[recentiy03]

What about Machiavelli as a 10-skill diplomat? Of course, without having Florence as a playable faction, he would have to side with Genoa, or perhaps even Venice (clearly not the Papal States) but it would be a nice little nuance....especially if bribery were made more effective...what about adding rebel emerging families in Italy, like the Borgias and the Medicis? It'd be really cool if you were playing Genoa and all a sudden Pisa revolts and a a 10-star Medici general appears. Even the Baron's Alliance, an event already coded in the mini-English campaign, would be a really nice addition to an England/Scotland/France campaign.

[Anesthetize]

Well, not every faction should be able to have a "Wallace" character, imo, since the history between scotland and england is pretty unique, and his campaign was a direct result of a very long history of oppression by the english occupants. It makes sense for the weaker factions like Scotland, CS and perhaps the Iberian factions in the shadow of the Moorish empire (if they get too strong). The reconquista is pretty random, since you can't know for sure whether the catholic factions there will just start ruining for eachother, or team up. Portugal is maybe the faction that needs some help the most in Iberia. Castille is fine and Aragon is usually too busy killing Genoa or attacking france...

It makes little sense for factions like Norway or Denmark to get it though, since they have no history of "purpose" for such a character. Martin Luther could be a fun idea though, but not sure how one could implement him to properly affect the to-be protestant countries... I would claim he was purely a positive influence on medieval europe, and only a pain in the ass for the catholic church. What if he went around "denouncing" inquisitors and cardinals, or removed unhappiness from excommunication?

[ITC]

Well, not every faction should be able to have a "Wallace" character, imo

I can name some other characters )
1. Marfa Boretskaya in Novgorod before it was conquered by Moscovy Grand Duke Ivan III
2. Evpaty Kolovrat from Ryazan. (Sorry can't find it on English, but the hero is really epic) who struggled to the last men (~1700) against mongols.