TMW (The Medieval World) *suspended*

**knin** · July 28, 2011, 01:16 PM

I'll leave it as is for now. We'll see how it all breaks down once I get a release out (if that ever happens...haha).

Finally finished the Byzantine family tree after a couple of silly errors, so now every faction has a historically accurate, largeish family tree except for Poland.

Poland is kind of a tricky case. King Casimir (r. 1040-1058), had five children: Boleslaw, Wladyslaw, Mieszko, Otto, and Swietoslawa. After Casimir died his first-born son Boleslaw took control of the (then) Duchy of Poland. He was deposed in 1079 by a baron's rebellion and fled to Hungary, where he died soon after (supposedly 1081-1082). Mieszko and Otto both died young, and Swietoslawa married the Duke of Bohemia, which in my opinion basically writes her out of the family for the purpose of this game.

So then, Wladyslaw had some sort of relationship with a woman whose origins and details we don't know except for her name, Przeclawa, who bore him a son Zbigniew in either 1070 or 1073. In 1080 Wladyslaw married Judith, but they didn't have a son until 1086, so TECHNICALLY, the entire royal family is Wladyslaw, Judith, and Zbigniew (he was illegitimate at this point, but its better than nothing). Boleslaw also had a son, but obviously, when his father had to flee the son did as well, and he didn't return until 1086.

SO, knowing all that, I'm leaving it as is for now, but I'm certainly open to suggestions.

EDIT: Small development. Turns out Wladyslaw had one of those evil ambitious nobles who turned him against his own sons! (How juicy is that!) So I'll be adding this guy, Sieciech, in as a minor noble, but I don't think he's really heir-worthy. Zbigniew is set up as heir so I guess if Wladyslaw were to somehow die in game before Zbigniew came of age then Sieciech would become king (gasp!).

**Ixor_Drakar** · July 28, 2011, 03:33 PM

The depth of your research is inspiring. Poland may not have an authentic and accurate army as no one has modded that yet, but at least the family tree will be.

**knin** · July 28, 2011, 11:31 PM

Was trying to figure out how to diffuse the ridiculous power of the Turks when I came across a previously undiscovered tidbit about Sultan Malik Shah's family, namely that he had a brother and four sons. Family tree? I think so.

Only problem being, no wives mentioned and no birth dates given for any, including Malik Shah himself. Thankfully, I found a couple of independent emirs and rulers so that the Turks won't have quite such unstoppable suzerainty over the Middle East.

The whole thing turned into a very interesting history lesson for me. When Malik Shah died in 1096, his four sons and brother all took different parts of the realm, severely hindering the power of the Great Seljuks and leaving an opening for the Crusaders to conquer their way to Jerusalem. Though I'm the first one to tell you that I think a Crusader faction would be totally cool, in my mind that's sort of a "been there, done that" scenario, where many mods like this one that try to expand on the original game move the start date around to suit their purpose and add Crusaders, but I am just so interested in the idea of trying to take a snapshot of Europe and the Middle East in 1080-1081 that I feel its not something I want to implement. And even though these other family members will be fighting it out and dividing the realm in 15 years, in 1080, the Great Seljuks are basically at the peak of their power. It's a different dynamic that I think hasn't been addressed yet, which I hope that I will be able to sufficiently replicate.

Anyway, long and pointless rant aside, the work (and the learning) continues here, as always.

**Ixor_Drakar** · July 28, 2011, 11:38 PM

The best implementation of the crusades in my opinion was done in chivalry 2, alowing you to build crusader state buildings in the holy land giving you crusader recruits and religious boost. So no crusader faction but allowing for the crusades feel if you take those lands as a Frank.

**knin** · July 29, 2011, 10:47 AM

After some extensive research and poking around pages in about 13 different languages (none of which I actually know, by the way) I've managed to get the Turks down to 17 settlements, which would become 11 if I can (eventually) split off the Sultanate of Rum. I hope I can put up some screenies later today showing the new ownerships and give you guys a little glimpse of the rebel names I've been working on also

**knin** · July 29, 2011, 01:15 PM

Volga Bulgaria anyone? (Much more to come later today)

**medievaldude** · July 29, 2011, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by knin

Volga Bulgaria anyone? (Much more to come later today)

Will you add forest to the Volga area

, anyways i still can't rep you

but do keep up the work

**knin** · July 30, 2011, 12:03 AM

Progress! All settlements now have garrisons, which means that their ownership and rebel factions are finalized. Tomorrow I will be adding/removing buildings, finishing out religions, correcting a few map errors, and then I might possibly be able to release a version for you guys to all play and test! Exciting stuff!

Levant